2024 NBA Draft - DA BULLS Edition Pick #11

[TheSuzerain]

I could see Sheppard falling to us now.

[MrSparkle]

As far as Reed goes, the wingspan is concerning... but one thing that's been interesting to me, is that long wingspan hasn't really lined up with elite perimeter defenders in the last few years (certainly helps big men, though).

Jimmy/PBev/Caruso/Jrue/Dillon... All on the average/modest end of heights and standing reach.

Then you have guys like Ayo, Terry, Patrick with exceptional wingspans (or Snell), who play solid system defense, but they aren't exceptionally intimidating on that end.

Almost like footwork, reaction time and intensity rather routinely trump length, in today's NBA (though of course it'd be great if Caruso had an extra 4" of wingspan - likely an all-star).

[Ice Man]

As far as Reed goes, the wingspan is concerning... but one thing that's been interesting to me, is that long wingspan hasn't really lined up with elite perimeter defenders in the last few years (certainly helps big men, though).

Jimmy/PBev/Caruso/Jrue/Dillon... All on the average/modest end of heights and standing reach.

Then you have guys like Ayo, Terry, Patrick with exceptional wingspans (or Snell), who play solid system defense, but they aren't exceptionally intimidating on that end.

Almost like footwork, reaction time and intensity rather routinely trump length, in today's NBA (though of course it'd be great if Caruso had an extra 4" of wingspan - likely an all-star).

Spot on. What wingspan giveth, wingspan taketh away -- because long arms are correlated with long legs, and long legs sacrifice agility. Most world-class soccer dribblers are short-legged. (Of course, Messi is the premier example, but there are many others.) They're not necessarily straight line fast, nor can jump, but man can they shift from side to side. And that ability matters a lot for perimeter defense.

Couple great agility with physical strength and a hard-nosed mentality, and that leads to the defenders that you mention.

As you write, things change near the rim. There length becomes increasingly important.

[Wingy]

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Wonder if Missi moves on up in the draft. That’s a tall fella for that vert.

Based on quick knee jerk highlights review, his athleticism/size stand out compared to most in this draft. Seems like he’s worth the risk at a higher position than he’s getting mocked given what a crapshoot this draft appears to be. Not that it’s crap. It doesn’t have the heavy hitters, but I’m sure there will be plenty of guys that have long productive careers. Which ones is always the hard part.

Note I had this opinion before the measurements cause of someone posting highlights here. The actual vert measurement only backs my eff it, why not assessment of Yves.

[hurrikayne2001]

Question for the board: where would Sarr get drafted in the previous 10 drafts?

I looked it over last night and I don't think he'd go top 3 in any recent draft except for 2013, which totally sucked at the top. Anthony Bennett, Victor Oladipo, and Otto Porter in the top 3. Yuck!

He seems like a 4-8 guy to me in most drafts.

Vecenie from The Athletic "this class doesn’t have anyone I’d consider a top-three pick in a normal draft."

Most saying this is the worst draft since 2013 and could be even worse than that. Hollinger said he'd be surprised if there's even an Oladipo level guy to come out of this one.

IMO, I think this is the weakest draft since the 2000 draft class which still produced 3 all stars.

[boozapalooza]

And still won’t amount to anything important.

Why is that? He can score at all three levels, is a good athlete and good size.

And he still wouldn’t get this team out of the play in. Just more mediocrity. We don’t need role players. We need foundational pieces of which have maybe .5 in Coby White and .25 in Ayo right now and nothing else.

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[Jcool0]

Why is that? He can score at all three levels, is a good athlete and good size.

And he still wouldn’t get this team out of the play in. Just more mediocrity. We don’t need role players. We need foundational pieces of which have maybe .5 in Coby White and .25 in Ayo right now and nothing else.

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[Bullflip]

Dalton gonna be gone by the time the Bulls pick

[Chicagoat]

Dalton seems like a top 10 pick with his high floor and with shooting becoming a premier skill set for any NBA player.

Detroit, Houston, and San Antonio would want him so they can win sooner.

[Jcool0]

Dalton gonna be gone by the time the Bulls pick

[nomorezorro]

if i'm the pelicans i'm tempted to call up detroit to see if they'll trade a package including #5 for ingram with the intent of using that pick on knecht

[Dan Z]

if i'm the pelicans i'm tempted to call up detroit to see if they'll trade a package including #5 for ingram with the intent of using that pick on knecht

Are you thinking Ingram plus 17 for 5 and something else? I'm not sure what else Detroit could add to it.

[moorhosj]

As far as Reed goes, the wingspan is concerning... but one thing that's been interesting to me, is that long wingspan hasn't really lined up with elite perimeter defenders in the last few years (certainly helps big men, though).

He also has a 42" vertical.

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[The Box Office]

I could see Sheppard falling to us now.

That's a great thing. Reed Sheppard is a great prospect. He doesn't have many flaws in his game.

- Reed is a great defensive player right now. He's a force on that end. We NEED that on the perimeter right now with Alex Caruso. He would be an immediate impact dude for us.
- Reed is a great knock down shooter from anywhere.
- He doesn't turnover the ball that much.
- He can get assists. I don't see him being an elite level assists dude ever in his career, but out of necessity, he can rack them up. Maybe he can develop into it.
- Reed can create his own shot with the dribble. He got handles.
- He's a good finisher.
- He's efficient.

Honestly, I trade LaVine for him. Right now. No problem. Reed, to me, is a top 3 prospect in this draft.

[Rose2Boozer]

The Spurs could end up with Topic and Knecht.

[biggestbullsfan]

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We pretty much have to rebuild. The team isn't good enough to justify payroll, and losing our 2025 first round pick to the Spurs would be a disaster.

[ChettheJet]

Don't get caught up in mock drafts and thinking the Bulls should move up, down or out, There's nothing but guesses being made after the first pick so don't try to outsmart everybody. try to follow along

I looked at 8 different mock drafts for the Bulls' pick at #11, the players listed there for the Bulls ranged from #3 to #24 on other drafts

#11 Ron Holland was also at #3, 3, 14, 10, 9, 15, 6

twice at #11 Isiah Collier also at #19,13, 15, 16, 13, 10

#11 Kyle Filipowski also #17, 24, 24, 12, 16, 16, 14

twice at #11 Ja'Kobe Walter also #14, 12, 17, 16, 10

#11 Cody Williams also #12, 5, 9, 13, 5, 4

#11 Dalton Knecht also #10, 7, 12, 10, 3


You should try looking at multiple drafts and see the variations on where their #11 is on the others nobody knows what's what

[ChiTownHero1992]

Don't get caught up in mock drafts and thinking the Bulls should move up, down or out, There's nothing but guesses being made after the first pick so don't try to outsmart everybody. try to follow along

I looked at 8 different mock drafts for the Bulls' pick at #11, the players listed there for the Bulls ranged from #3 to #24 on other drafts

#11 Ron Holland was also at #3, 3, 14, 10, 9, 15, 6

twice at #11 Isiah Collier also at #19,13, 15, 16, 13, 10

#11 Kyle Filipowski also #17, 24, 24, 12, 16, 16, 14

twice at #11 Ja'Kobe Walter also #14, 12, 17, 16, 10

#11 Cody Williams also #12, 5, 9, 13, 5, 4

#11 Dalton Knecht also #10, 7, 12, 10, 3


You should try looking at multiple drafts and see the variations on where their #11 is on the others nobody knows what's what

This is such an odd draft honestly, no TOP level talent really but tons of depth if you ask me. I watch a ton of NCAA, there are plenty of potnetial depth pieces but its a lot about fit with many of them.

The diverse mocks all over are funny to as you pointed out because guys ranked 3 are ranked 15 elsewhere...you almost never see that span. Imagine last year anyone of Scoot, Wemby or Miller being talked about at pick #15 unthinkable lol

Honestly though from my point of view and watching a ton of these prospects multiple times:

Knect, Holland and Dillingham will be gone before 10.
Filipowski would be there but IMO a reach at 11...should be more in the 18-24 range
Collier would be a good pick there and should be in that 10-12 range
Walter is another decent pick but likely more in that 12-15 range.

Most likely guys available at 11 that would be a good get:
Isaiah Collier (likely 9-12 range)
Ja'Kobe Wlater (likely 9-12 range)
Cody Williams (likely 9-12 range)
Jared McCain (likely 9-12 range)

Of those 4 McCain or Collier are my top picks, but i'd be fine with any of the 4

[Muzbar]

I expect the draft in general to be pretty fun - lots of times it seems like there's a lot of consensus on where players will be getting drafted, but this draft seems wide open in regards to where players might be getting picked - not to mention could see people looking to trade out. Should be a fun one.

It makes it difficult to project out who will be available at our pick, could be a surprise drop or two.

I still remain interested in Tyler Smith.

He has holes in his game - but so does everyone in this draft. The #1 pick will likely have holes in their game this year.

You're telling me there's a 6'11" player in the draft who shot 36% from 3 on 4 attempts in just 22 minutes a night, while also adding 1 block and 1 steal a game. And since he was playing in the G-league those are NBA range 3's.

Can anyone explain to me why - based on the seasons they both just had - Matas Buzelis is projected to go top-6 and Tyler Smith is in some projections going in the 20's?

Buzelis has a better all round game, Smith was pretty 1 dimensional in comparison.

That being said, I do really like Tyler Smith and would love to pick up a 2nd FRP later in the draft to pick him up.

I am admittingly not regularly watching G-league games so a lot of my understanding of these players is from scouting videos, stats, and stuff like that.

When I look at their Per 36 numbers:

Smith: 22 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1.3 steals, 36% 3P%, and 61% TS%

Buzelis: 16 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 2.3 blocks, 1 steal, 26% 3P%, and 55% TS%

They're both rather skinny 6'11" players and it sounds like the whole Ignite program was a bit of a mess so maybe it's hard to pull too much from their shared year there.

But the numbers don't scream "better all around player" to me

In fact the numbers suggest Buzelis might struggle to score or contribute in any sort of meaningful way. At least with Smith you'd expect him to offer floor-spacing day 1.

I think both will take some time to develop

I hate per36 stats, it's just a projection, not a reality.

Buzelis has a better all-round talent package, he struggled with his shot in the G-league, but he can shoot, he can dribble, he can defend, he can pass. It's not all about the numbers.

As I've said before, I really like Tyler Smith and I would not be upset if the Bulls grabbed a later first and picked him up.

I haven't seen his combine numbers yet, are his measurements good? Buzelis' measurements underwhelmed me if I'm being honest.