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Wingy wrote:chitownsports4ever wrote:Zach is that you ?
Where is any of it actually wrong?
Again, I’m not even all that fond of Lavine. The single player finger-pointing is ridiculous.
MrSparkle wrote:He should've made the trade demand in July.
chitownsports4ever wrote:All of its wrong as its simply deflection
You just blamed everyone else for his play when the bulls waited 2 1/2 years for him to give us what hes given us this year
FecesOfDeath wrote:Kurt Heimlich wrote:coldfish wrote:Game is over and the Bulls won by 29. Game thread is on its 4th page. AKME killed the Bulls realgm.com board.
Agreed the Bulls are as uninteresting as ever, even though they are on an upswing in performance.
The NBA as a whole is on a downswing in viewership though. The majority of people don't have cable anymore which is a death knell for NBA viewership. Plus the best players in the league now are all foreign dudes with "weird names" that nobody relates to. Without a radical change in how the NBA can market to the American masses (paid TV being the biggest hurdle) interest in the Bulls and the NBA as a whole will continue its downswing. Cuban selling his majority stake in the Mavs was a blatant Canary in the Coal Mine for these issues.
A particular marketing ploy during the bubble is what caused the downswing. The NFL is currently as strong as ever in viewership, partially because they stopped allowing something similar to linger.
Wingy wrote:chitownsports4ever wrote:All of its wrong as its simply deflection
You just blamed everyone else for his play when the bulls waited 2 1/2 years for him to give us what hes given us this year
Who’s talking about his play?
1. I highlighted why it makes sense that he wants out.
2. The team isn’t somehow this new winning group without him.
Stratmaster wrote:Phoenix is a .500 team at home. But they have been playing well.
Lakers are falling apart.
Portland is 7-12 at home.
I expect they will lose to either Phoenix or LA
Billy doesn't really coach, he just chewing gum on the bench and uses the same rotation every game.RSP83 wrote:Stratmaster wrote:Quit on the team with a trade request? The team quit on him a year ago.MrSparkle wrote:
Pretty ugly, but up ahead pretty much 90% of the game. I recall many nights being down double-digits to the Pistons and Raptors, with Zach leading the way (literally, 51 points against Detroit in a 20 point loss). Quite obviously not a winning formula, letting Zach do his thing, if it meant getting blown out by one of the worst teams of all-time.
I think Zach's an excellent 1-dimensional player, but when you quit on your team with a trade demand with career low numbers, the team's record improves while you sit out, and then come back and continue to have some career-low stats... I'm sorry, but you're nothing but a distraction.
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There were times when I thought the team looked visibly frustrated with Zach (but not just with Zach) when he made bad decisions. But I never got the feeling that the team quit on Zach.
If anything, I think the team fell into the trap of doubling down on Zach play, thinking that's the right call, trusting Zach too much as core of the system. That's why I always blame this type of things on Billy for not liking to intervene, force things to break bad cycles. He tried to bench Zach once and then after that he's afraid to do it again. We could've reached this point much earlier, and probably cheaper if Billy coach harder.
RSP83 wrote:Stratmaster wrote:Quit on the team with a trade request? The team quit on him a year ago.MrSparkle wrote:
Pretty ugly, but up ahead pretty much 90% of the game. I recall many nights being down double-digits to the Pistons and Raptors, with Zach leading the way (literally, 51 points against Detroit in a 20 point loss). Quite obviously not a winning formula, letting Zach do his thing, if it meant getting blown out by one of the worst teams of all-time.
I think Zach's an excellent 1-dimensional player, but when you quit on your team with a trade demand with career low numbers, the team's record improves while you sit out, and then come back and continue to have some career-low stats... I'm sorry, but you're nothing but a distraction.
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There were times when I thought the team looked visibly frustrated with Zach (but not just with Zach) when he made bad decisions. But I never got the feeling that the team quit on Zach.
If anything, I think the team fell into the trap of doubling down on Zach play, thinking that's the right call, trusting Zach too much as core of the system. That's why I always blame this type of things on Billy for not liking to intervene, force things to break bad cycles. He tried to bench Zach once and then after that he's afraid to do it again. We could've reached this point much earlier, and probably cheaper if Billy coach harder.
Wingy wrote:Stratmaster wrote:Phoenix is a .500 team at home. But they have been playing well.
Lakers are falling apart.
Portland is 7-12 at home.
I expect they will lose to either Phoenix or LA
Au contraire mon frère!!!
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Kurt Heimlich wrote:coldfish wrote:Game is over and the Bulls won by 29. Game thread is on its 4th page. AKME killed the Bulls realgm.com board.
Agreed the Bulls are as uninteresting as ever, even though they are on an upswing in performance.
The NBA as a whole is on a downswing in viewership though. The majority of people don't have cable anymore which is a death knell for NBA viewership. Plus the best players in the league now are all foreign dudes with "weird names" that nobody relates to. Without a radical change in how the NBA can market to the American masses (paid TV being the biggest hurdle) interest in the Bulls and the NBA as a whole will continue its downswing. Cuban selling his majority stake in the Mavs was a blatant Canary in the Coal Mine for these issues.
Wingy wrote:chitownsports4ever wrote:Zach is that you ?
Where is any of it actually wrong?
Again, I’m not even all that fond of Lavine. The single player finger-pointing is ridiculous.
FecesOfDeath wrote:Kurt Heimlich wrote:coldfish wrote:Game is over and the Bulls won by 29. Game thread is on its 4th page. AKME killed the Bulls realgm.com board.
Agreed the Bulls are as uninteresting as ever, even though they are on an upswing in performance.
The NBA as a whole is on a downswing in viewership though. The majority of people don't have cable anymore which is a death knell for NBA viewership. Plus the best players in the league now are all foreign dudes with "weird names" that nobody relates to. Without a radical change in how the NBA can market to the American masses (paid TV being the biggest hurdle) interest in the Bulls and the NBA as a whole will continue its downswing. Cuban selling his majority stake in the Mavs was a blatant Canary in the Coal Mine for these issues.
A particular marketing ploy during the bubble is what caused the downswing. The NFL is currently as strong as ever in viewership, partially because they stopped allowing something similar to linger.
Wingy wrote:chitownsports4ever wrote:All of its wrong as its simply deflection
You just blamed everyone else for his play when the bulls waited 2 1/2 years for him to give us what hes given us this year
Who’s talking about his play?
1. I highlighted why it makes sense that he wants out.
2. The team isn’t somehow this new winning group without him.
Indomitable wrote:Wingy wrote:chitownsports4ever wrote:All of its wrong as its simply deflection
You just blamed everyone else for his play when the bulls waited 2 1/2 years for him to give us what hes given us this year
Who’s talking about his play?
1. I highlighted why it makes sense that he wants out.
2. The team isn’t somehow this new winning group without him.
So beating the worst team in basketball not named the Pistons means something.
Bulls fans deserve to be stuck in this mediocre hell.
We lack length which is why we struggle against most teams. Ball and Craig really helps with that. People do you watch other teams.
Look at how many deflections are caused by having longer people simply having their hands up.
chitownsports4ever wrote:Wingy wrote:MrSparkle wrote:Players are human. Ayo and Coby, Vuc visibly like Demar more. I don't know what to tell you, but sometimes guys just don't like playing under other guys.
Why is that surprising? DeMar is the oldest guy on the team and no one would argue he isn’t the better mentor. He’s friends with Vuc from their USC days, of course Vuc likes him better. He’s a more accomplished and more respected player who had the benefit of playing his entire career with two strong championship organizations.
It’s certainly understandable if people enjoy the aesthetics and style of play better when Zach’s not around, but thinking we’re this markedly better team in terms of results without him is where people are lying to themselves to prop up their aesthetic preference.
I pointed it out during the ‘streak’ how weak and injured the competition was, but hardly anyone would hear it. Those posts were ignored, though a few amusingly argued the competition was strong!
Of course guys like Ayo have more fun when they get to move up the chain. Does that make Zach some cancer because he rightfully pushes guys down the rungs?
Zach has been shopped by this FO for how long now? Basically being the fall guy for AK’s utter lack of team-building competence.
He gets benched by Billy for an off night, but Vucebrick goes out there and tortures our eyes with impunity game after game after game…on both ends of the floor…while a very competent alternative rots on the pine. Yet when was the last time you saw that mother ****er get benched???
All the players have seen this experiment fail twice already (immediately post Lonzo injury, then last season), only to see their crazy ass FO run it back again. I’m sure Zach feels the square peg, round hole as strongly as anyone. He knows this group and the 3 doesn’t work.
You posted “players are human.” Consider that when you wonder why Zach wants to be traded and would be miserable playing for this clown show, ring of shame franchise.
Zach is that you ?
DropStep wrote:FecesOfDeath wrote:Kurt Heimlich wrote:
Agreed the Bulls are as uninteresting as ever, even though they are on an upswing in performance.
The NBA as a whole is on a downswing in viewership though. The majority of people don't have cable anymore which is a death knell for NBA viewership. Plus the best players in the league now are all foreign dudes with "weird names" that nobody relates to. Without a radical change in how the NBA can market to the American masses (paid TV being the biggest hurdle) interest in the Bulls and the NBA as a whole will continue its downswing. Cuban selling his majority stake in the Mavs was a blatant Canary in the Coal Mine for these issues.
A particular marketing ploy during the bubble is what caused the downswing. The NFL is currently as strong as ever in viewership, partially because they stopped allowing something similar to linger.
Which marketing ploy was that?
