Bears 2024 4.0

[patryk7754]

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It’s probably Williams. I think it saves them 20m and he’s had more than one serious injury

[ThisGuyFawkes]

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It’s probably Williams. I think it saves them 20m and he’s had more than one serious injury

Wow, they have 4 players making more than Herbert? Yeah, that's a terrible situation.

[Charlesareed]

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I say bring Mack back he’d be good with sweat age the defense this bears team has also bosa wouldn’t be a bad option either

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Interesting if true...

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[Chicago-Bull-E]

If this FO doesn’t get a WR2 or an edge in free agency and then reaches for a tackle at 9 my head will explode.

[panthermark]

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Damn,
That list is why I still think there are only 3 QB slots to pay for.

*Legit MVP contract. Think Mahomes can make a significant amount of money because as long as he is on the team, you have a chance. They can carry an average team deep into the play-offs.

*Value vet contract. Think Goff or someone like that. A good player making $30M. He can't "carry" a team, but he is a top 12'ish QB. Better than average.

*Rooke contract. Cheap and controlled.

The worst thing that can happen is to pay a good (or worse) QB elite money. It will be interesting to watch the QB contracts self-correct.

[da pmp]

Any talk of taking a OT with the #9 pick is smoke

[HearshotKDS]

our D-Line is basically intact from last season

This part of your post isnt correct, the Bears have lost their DE2, DE4, and DT1 from the line last year in NGakoue, Greene, and Jones. Granted they probably needed to lose those DEs and replace them with better ones. Theres still time and FA left though so a lot of the doom and gloom is premature, or at least misfounded angst that Poles decided against a "win now" DE2 like Hunter to pair with Sweat and may be using the draft to find that instead or even kicking the can on a good one to next season.

With that said, DL is a hockey line shift position that needs to rotate heavily to avoid fatigue, you play your DE3 more snaps than you play your NT and you play DE4 more snaps than you play your SAM LB for comparison. Poles doesnt have enough draft picks to fill all those so he will almost certainly sign more DL, but posters need to give him time and realize whats best for 2024 may not be whats best for 2025 an beyond which seems to be how Poles builds.

[Dresden]

I'm starting to hear the refrain "well, we can't fill all the holes in one year", which is the same thing we heard last year when Poles did not do all that much to provide help on the O line and the D line. It seems like this year, for every hole we've filled, new ones have opened up when we've lost players like Mooney and Jones. It feels like all we're doing is treading water, not actually getting ahead of things.

[Almost Retired]

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I say bring Mack back he’d be good with sweat age the defense this bears team has also bosa wouldn’t be a bad option either

Can't Afford them.

[molepharmer]

........last year when Poles did not do all that much to provide help on the O line and the D line......

Bears had about 7 new additions to D-line last year; Pickens, Dexter, Green, Billings, Walker, Sweat, Ngakoue. Four through free agency.

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Damn,
That list is why I still think there are only 3 QB slots to pay for.

*Legit MVP contract. Think Mahomes can make a significant amount of money because as long as he is on the team, you have a chance. They can carry an average team deep into the play-offs.

*Value vet contract. Think Goff or someone like that. A good player making $30M. He can't "carry" a team, but he is a top 12'ish QB. Better than average.

*Rooke contract. Cheap and controlled.

The worst thing that can happen is to pay a good (or worse) QB elite money. It will be interesting to watch the QB contracts self-correct.

Damn, I wasn't joking a while back that if Caleb lives up to expectations he might be in line to want the First $100 Million a year contract the way inflation is driving up the $$$ for QBs. At some point this salary escalation is going to cripple a lot of teams.

[TheSuzerain]

Any talk of taking a OT with the #9 pick is smoke

I'd consider it for Alt at #9 or a tackle (Mims) if we trade down.

I'm starting to think the ideal is trading down from #9 to a QB needy team to then pick up at least an extra 2nd.

Then we go WR with the trade down pick and the extra 2nd.

I hope we get a 2nd tier rush end via FA. Some hustler who can be a part of the D-Line platoon.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Ngakoue is a FA. I wonder if we bring him back on another cheap "prove it" contract. He's very situational and didn't perform all that well though.

[Dresden]

........last year when Poles did not do all that much to provide help on the O line and the D line......

Bears had about 7 new additions to D-line last year; Pickens, Dexter, Green, Billings, Walker, Sweat, Ngakoue. Four through free agency.

True, but Ngakoue was a very late pick up and wasn't all that effective. Billings was pretty good. Sweat was great but that didn't happen until well into the season. The rest of those guys didn't have much impact.

[HearshotKDS]

........last year when Poles did not do all that much to provide help on the O line and the D line......

Bears had about 7 new additions to D-line last year; Pickens, Dexter, Green, Billings, Walker, Sweat, Ngakoue. Four through free agency.

2 new starters on the OL including the first round pick and the 2nd highest AAV guard who then went on to have the worst season of his career (maybe due to family death maybe due to "got paid" sydrome who knows). Poles problem with the OL was trusting that C could be handled by one of Whitehair or Patrick when both were clearly washed but he invested a ton of resources into the OL and DL and improved the DL at least by quite a bit.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Any talk of taking a OT with the #9 pick is smoke

I'd consider it for Alt at #9 or a tackle (Mims) if we trade down.

I'm starting to think the ideal is trading down from #9 to a QB needy team to then pick up at least an extra 2nd.

Then we go WR with the trade down pick and the extra 2nd.

I hope we get a 2nd tier rush end via FA. Some hustler who can be a part of the D-Line platoon.

At that point, could Jones kick inside to guard? Or would he be a really good backup or traded?

[nomorezorro]

ngakoue sucked and has never been particularly good outside of raw sack numbers; he should absolutely not come back

if you're going to get a one-year mercenary DE, sign clowney. if you're going to get a one-year mercenary DE who's a one-dimensional pass rush guy, sign chase young

[HearshotKDS]

Any talk of taking a OT with the #9 pick is smoke

I'd consider it for Alt at #9 or a tackle (Mims) if we trade down.

I'm starting to think the ideal is trading down from #9 to a QB needy team to then pick up at least an extra 2nd.

Then we go WR with the trade down pick and the extra 2nd.

I hope we get a 2nd tier rush end via FA. Some hustler who can be a part of the D-Line platoon.

At that point, could Jones kick inside to guard? Or would he be a really good backup or traded?

Jones cant play Guard in the NFL, too long too light, weak in a phone booth and his strength is his mobility and being able to block DBs on the edge on outside runs. Hes a tackle, whether thats starting or swing.

........last year when Poles did not do all that much to provide help on the O line and the D line......

Bears had about 7 new additions to D-line last year; Pickens, Dexter, Green, Billings, Walker, Sweat, Ngakoue. Four through free agency.

True, but Ngakoue was a very late pick up and wasn't all that effective. Billings was pretty good. Sweat was great but that didn't happen until well into the season. The rest of those guys didn't have much impact.

Here's the DEs available in 2023, which ones would have made a noticeable difference in impact over what Poles signed: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2023/all/edge/all/ some of those are DTs like Jones or Ogunjobe but Spotrac is wrong with the position label but hell throw them in too. IF we're going to criticize the moves he did make then point out the alterntives available, or perhaps we concede that not every hole can be meaningfully filled in one offseason?

That doesnt excuse current action but there is some historical revisionism going on that doesnt match reality.

[heir_jordan22]

Too many holes to fill with one pick at 9.

What a rough free agency.

Free agency started less than 48 hours ago. You may need to crack open a beer.

Free agency is actually over for signing tier 1 talent. That’s a wrap.

The best WR is still available. So are another 3-5 of the top 10 receiver options. And we can still plug holes without tier 1 guys.