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Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:34 pm
by Guru
SfBull wrote:Guru wrote:Listened to a lot of angry podcasts on my walk. I don't get it. People are frustrated we didn't do anything. But there aren't any specifics.
From what I can tell they would have traded Caruso for Kaminga but the Warriors wanted picks back?
They would have probably done the Lavine trade to the Pistons and were still going after Bojan even after LaVine went down.
Deals didn't materialize.
Bad deals are worse than stagnation.
A package with DeMar and Pat (both with expiring contracts) could have brought us a younger player and maybe a FRP next draft.There were alternatives,AK apparently didn't want to explore them.
We'll run the same **** again next season with DDR and PW with newer and more expensive contracts.
We're screwed.
From who? Did you hear any rumors about this at all?
We just saw Coby show up after his 2nd deal, why couldn't Pat?
We got mad we traded Carter.....but now we want to trade Pat?
There is all emotion and no logic in these trade ideas.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:36 pm
by SfBull
Red8911 wrote:Glad that Demar and AC didnt get traded. They both have been awesome here. Demar has earned a new extension and both sides seem to want the same thing but hopefully Demar takes a bit of a pay cut mostly because of his age.
I was only disappointed that Zach and Lonzo are still on the roster. AK waited too damn long and then at the end failed to trade Zach.He should have taken care of this immediately after Zach made it known that he wants out and should have stopped playing him to avoid injury.He handled this totally wrong. I really wonder what he turned down while looking for a “great” deal.
On Drummond I didn’t mind if he got moved but also glad they didn’t do something stpd like leave this team with one center. He has been playing on a different level this season so better off that he stayed.
I’m also cool with AK wanting to compete, I agree with him. Despite the pressure from a few fans,media and other teams to sell everyone he stuck to his plan and said fk you all! Have to respect that but also he should have made some type of move to improve the roster, I’m sure there was something he could have done.
Yes,fk y all , keeping the things as they are making another Play in Tournament spot and losing on the first or second game.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:39 pm
by SfBull
Guru wrote:SfBull wrote:Guru wrote:Listened to a lot of angry podcasts on my walk. I don't get it. People are frustrated we didn't do anything. But there aren't any specifics.
From what I can tell they would have traded Caruso for Kaminga but the Warriors wanted picks back?
They would have probably done the Lavine trade to the Pistons and were still going after Bojan even after LaVine went down.
Deals didn't materialize.
Bad deals are worse than stagnation.
A package with DeMar and Pat (both with expiring contracts) could have brought us a younger player and maybe a FRP next draft.There were alternatives,AK apparently didn't want to explore them.
We'll run the same **** again next season with DDR and PW with newer and more expensive contracts.
We're screwed.
From who? Did you hear any rumors about this at all?
We just saw Coby show up after his 2nd deal, why couldn't Pat?
We got mad we traded Carter.....but now we want to trade Pat?
There is all emotion and no logic in these trade ideas.
You are waiting too long for Pat's development.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:45 pm
by Guru
He is 22
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:51 pm
by SfBull
Guru wrote:He is 22
And with 25 he'll be an All Star?
Too much patience and money to be wasted with a role player.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:22 am
by GoBlue72391
Guru wrote:SfBull wrote:Guru wrote:Listened to a lot of angry podcasts on my walk. I don't get it. People are frustrated we didn't do anything. But there aren't any specifics.
From what I can tell they would have traded Caruso for Kaminga but the Warriors wanted picks back?
They would have probably done the Lavine trade to the Pistons and were still going after Bojan even after LaVine went down.
Deals didn't materialize.
Bad deals are worse than stagnation.
A package with DeMar and Pat (both with expiring contracts) could have brought us a younger player and maybe a FRP next draft.There were alternatives,AK apparently didn't want to explore them.
We'll run the same **** again next season with DDR and PW with newer and more expensive contracts.
We're screwed.
From who? Did you hear any rumors about this at all?
We just saw Coby show up after his 2nd deal, why couldn't Pat?
We got mad we traded Carter.....but now we want to trade Pat?
There is all emotion and no logic in these trade ideas.
Pat would need a lobotomy or brain transplant in order to break out like Coby.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:25 am
by Muzbar
In the end, the title of this thread was extremely accurate.
It was just Bulls trade rumors only (no matter how few).
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:37 pm
by FriedRise
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:42 pm
by jnrjr79
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:04 pm
by ChiefILL53
and we need 2nds too cuz we've basically traded them all lol
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:19 pm
by jump
I’d rather have Drummond now and possibly for the next couple years than three 2nds. He’s a value contract and probably won’t be expensive next contract.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:52 pm
by greenwing
Would rather try to keep Drummond after this season than have three late second round picks.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:02 pm
by DropStep
Assuming three seconds in that scenario equals maybe a low first rounder, it seems about right. But we need size so badly I don't think we could take it. Also, 76ers second rounders are likely to be in the 50s for the next few years.
It seems like the value of seconds has gone completely haywire recently. They are wanted, but it also seems like you may need to include 4 or 5 of them to gain any headway in a trade. If you proposed sending 5 to someone a decade ago, I'm not sure they'd even know how to evaluate that offer, and they may have just laughed you off. Even today, I'm not sure all teams are on the same wavelength yet as to what they are worth. At least some teams seem to have a defined process to value them (a chart, or an equation) for modern trades - I'd love to see an NBA pick points value chart that is derived from some serious data analysis, similar to the NFL ones by Rich Hill, RJ White and others, but teams are probably still holding theirs as private IP. The ones I just googled seem sketchy. Nerds, get to it.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:02 pm
by jnrjr79
greenwing wrote:Would rather try to keep Drummond after this season than have three late second round picks.
The Bulls are a treadmill team headed nowhere. Retaining Drummond when you could start restocking the empty draft pick cabinet makes no sense. Drummond is very likely to be more expensive on his next deal, as well, with the Bulls already facing serious luxury tax concerns next season if they re-sign PWill and DeRozan. So there's a huge chance Drummond just walks and keeping him did what, exactly? Kept them in the play-in?
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:25 pm
by FriedRise
Those 2nds probably won’t ever be as good as Drummond, but they could’ve been used other ways - like for example, as a sweetener to move off of Zach’s contract that would’ve allowed you to reset this roster.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:40 pm
by kodo
We don't need sweeteners to move Lavine. Look at the hard evidence:
- AK was offered a king's ransom for Caruso (whatever that was) last deadline, no deal
- AK was offered Moody plus pick(s) for Caruso this deadline, no deal
- AK was offered 3 picks for our league min, backup Center. No DEAL.
It's obvious that there were offers for Zach most of us would have considered fair for Lavine, and AK would have rejected them.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:41 pm
by Charlesareed
FriedRise wrote:Those 2nds probably won’t ever be as good as Drummond, but they could’ve been used other ways - like for example, as a sweetener to move off of Zach’s contract that would’ve allowed you to reset this roster.
Exactly that’s why you do the trade 10/10 it’s gonna cost the move Zach and 3 srps Carter & terry would get it done
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:46 pm
by sco
FriedRise wrote:Those 2nds probably won’t ever be as good as Drummond, but they could’ve been used other ways - like for example, as a sweetener to move off of Zach’s contract that would’ve allowed you to reset this roster.
Yeah, 3 wrongs don't make a right. 2nd rounders can be bought, not sure I'd ever give up a rotation level player like AD for a handful of magic beans.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:30 pm
by Peelboy
Absolute ineptitude. Alas wholly consistent with everything else they've done in which basically EVERY big decision has ended up a disaster, and their attitude has been "all we ever want is to be on the fringe of the playoffs, and we won't jeopardize that even if it gives us a better shot at a title."
"Miss us?"
Yes. I miss GarPax, I miss them so much.
Re: Bulls Trade Rumors Only
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:32 pm
by jnrjr79
kodo wrote:We don't need sweeteners to move Lavine. Look at the hard evidence:
- AK was offered a king's ransom for Caruso (whatever that was) last deadline, no deal
- AK was offered Moody plus pick(s) for Caruso this deadline, no deal
- AK was offered 3 picks for our league min, backup Center. No DEAL.
It's obvious that there were offers for Zach most of us would have considered fair for Lavine, and AK would have rejected them.
No, it's not obvious.
Zach is a holdover from the prior regime and AK has never seen as invested in him as in other players. Absent his injury, I assume they would have made efforts to get him off the roster. There is no evidence that, at this point, AK wants him around.