GT # 42, Bulls @ Cavs, 15 Jan 2024, 6 PM CT, NBCSCH

[RyanJamari]

We desperately need to trade Vuc and then choose 1 of Zach or Demar to keep for the rest of the season.

I’m sick of watching this collective of players that are supposed to be our ‘best’.

They have one of the weakest schedules in one one the weakest draft and y’all on rebuild BS. Bulls fans are worst than Lakers fan! Y’all live in die by each half.


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That's not a rebuild. Removing Vuc & one of Zach/Demar for playable role players improves the team IMO.

Both Lavine and Demar are prob gone in the offseason. I can see losing Demar for nothing. If you move Vuc you create a huge hole at center. I have always said that Vuc play better with a defensive minded PF who could rim protect and hit 3s. The roster constructing is flawed. I don’t think they move Vuc tho.


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[Chi town]

Vuc was awful. 1-7 from 3… stop shooting us out of games. Allen destroyed him on the boards and Vuc couldn’t score against him in the post.

DDR what the hell was that. Like, no effort on either end. 8 shots??? We needed his scoring and just passed and watched.

Coby played like a try hard tonight. Took two really dumb 3s at critical moments and misses. The flop 3 should have been a layup and the airball 3 in transition when Ayo was bringing us back.

We missed 11 layups. I counted. Can’t remember the last time I saw that. Ball just wouldn’t go in.

[kodo]

Lot of personnel talk, but what about the strategy of allowing 57 3s?
Coby could have shot better, Vuc could have shot better, and I think we would have still lost allowing 57 3's. League average is 35.
You can't really contest or body a 3 shooter, so the only real 3 point defense is prevention. We let other teams just fire away because we're always overhelping.

CLE: 57
SAS: 46
GSW: 47
HOU: 45
CHA: 42
NYK: 38

[RyanJamari]

If you let DDR walk then who replaces him on the roster?

By committee. The hot hand closes the game or you get a free agent with the 27 million in cap space.


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That's not how the cap works. Demar's 27M coming off the books doesn't mean the Bulls have 27M to spend and that not including Pat's extension.

Well I’m not a cap expert. I just know that Demar is most likely coming off he makes 27 million. Hopefully on a team friendly deal, Bulls ext Pat. There should be some money left over to sign someone that improves roster construct.


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[burlydee]

The Bulls miss PWill/Craig more than they missed Zach.

Zach and Deebo don't mix. Vuc is on the decline. Free the young Bulls.

[Wingy]

The fact that you need to play Vuc and Drummond together, and that lineup brings you back into the game is yet another indictment of small ball, and AK/Billy’s preferred, utterly flawed philosophy.

I muttered to myself after I assume Amin mentioned the turnaround with the two bigs - ‘Imagine that. Tall people help in basketball.’

Vuc is as meh of a big at best. I could live without that dude ever taking another 3 from the top in a Bulls uniform.

Yeah, too many poor defenders together on the floor at once. Plus it seems we defend the paint like it’s the 90s. Even AC does that. It’s not the coincidental “why does it happen to us?” that some seem to think happens. The hot shooting is because of us.

[burlydee]

By committee. The hot hand closes the game or you get a free agent with the 27 million in cap space.


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That's not how the cap works. Demar's 27M coming off the books doesn't mean the Bulls have 27M to spend and that not including Pat's extension.

Well I’m not a cap expert. I just know that Demar is most likely coming off he makes 27 million. Hopefully on a team friendly deal, Bulls ext Pat. There should be some money left over to sign someone that improves roster construct.


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The Bulls should not resign Demar. I love the guy, but he's in the end stages of his career. He needs to be playing off the bench in LA 25 minutes a night. The Bulls can't build around a 35 year old wing.

[RyanJamari]

Lot of personnel talk, but what about the strategy of allowing 57 3s?
Coby could have shot better, Vuc could have shot better, and I think we would have still lost allowing 57 3's. League average is 35.
You can't really contest or body a 3 shooter, so the only real 3 point defense is prevention. We let other teams just fire away because we're always overhelping.

CLE: 57
SAS: 46
GSW: 47
HOU: 45
CHA: 42
NYK: 38

I think it is in the scouting report that the Bulls don’t rebound well off 3 point misses. Teams are killing them on 2nd chances, so teams might force more 3s.


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[RyanJamari]

That's not how the cap works. Demar's 27M coming off the books doesn't mean the Bulls have 27M to spend and that not including Pat's extension.

Well I’m not a cap expert. I just know that Demar is most likely coming off he makes 27 million. Hopefully on a team friendly deal, Bulls ext Pat. There should be some money left over to sign someone that improves roster construct.


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The Bulls should not resign Demar. I love the guy, but he's in the end stages of his career. He needs to be playing off the bench in LA 25 minutes a night. The Bulls can't build around a 35 year old wing.

I agree that they should not resign him.


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[BigUps]

If Vuc isn’t hitting outside shots he’s not worth playing. That’s his differentiator. That’s what allows you to accept some of his flaws. Without the shots going in all you get are his flaws.

[PaKii94]

If Vuc isn’t hitting outside shots he’s not worth playing. That’s his differentiator. That’s what allows you to accept some of his flaws. Without the shots going in all you get are his flaws.

Yup that's the only thing that brought his TS to around 60%TS (which is still not good for a C who are usually high 60s+) without it he's just horrible

[Wingy]

Vuc for WCJ/Okeke. Who says no? Oh, the Magic.

[Mk0]

I haven't looked at the numbers but I swear the reason the double bigs lineup worked was Caruso and Ayo on the perimeter

When Billy tried it again I think it was Drum/Vooch/Zach/DeMar with Caruso and the Cavs took a bunch of 3s and got a bunch of long rebounds off those misses.

[jordanwilliams6]

It's kinda weird seeing the elephant in the room ignored. Our starting PG had 5 baskets, 3 assists, and 7 turnovers. Coby justly received the credit for sparking the team in December. But he more than anybody tanked today's offense.

Yup, he was just poor tonight. Seems like a bit of a trend, probably pushing to do a little more than he’s honestly capable of, and he has to recognize that. Some poor shot attempts, and what I haven’t seen mentioned much - he has a little more “off ball Zach” in him than I’d like to see.

We have to remember that he’s (hopefully) learning and growing taking on more responsibility than he ever has before. It seems like he can stand to raise his strength and conditioning to another level in order to better handle it. Seems like he is wearing down, which is leading to some of these TOs.

I don't think it's fair to label it as a trend for Coby. He had a poor game tonight but in his previous 4 outings, Coby was putting up 24/6/4 on 55/50/80 shooting with just 7 turnovers total.

[Stratmaster]

It's kinda weird seeing the elephant in the room ignored. Our starting PG had 5 baskets, 3 assists, and 7 turnovers. Coby justly received the credit for sparking the team in December. But he more than anybody tanked today's offense.

Agreed. Coby was brutal tonight.

As was Vuc. And Demar took the night off.

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[Stratmaster]

There should never ever be a scenario where Vuc shoots the most 3s in a game.

I was thinking the same thing. 1-7 from 3? On a hot night Vuc is pressing it shooting 7. Tonight? He should have stopped after 3


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[RSP83]

The fact that you need to play Vuc and Drummond together, and that lineup brings you back into the game is yet another indictment of small ball, and AK/Billy’s preferred, utterly flawed philosophy.

I muttered to myself after I assume Amin mentioned the turnaround with the two bigs - ‘Imagine that. Tall people help in basketball.’

Vuc is as meh of a big at best. I could live without that dude ever taking another 3 from the top in a Bulls uniform.

Yeah, too many poor defenders together on the floor at once. Plus it seems we defend the paint like it’s the 90s. Even AC does that. It’s not the coincidental “why does it happen to us?” that some seem to think happens. The hot shooting is because of us.

Totally agree, when it's happening too often, then we must've enabled it.

Vuc shooting 7 threes... oh my... Vuc supporter shouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of Vuc haters. I can understand his contract, but I don't understand why he's still utilized as if he's the cornerstone of this franchise. He's a role player who can give you automatic double double. Like Drummond but with different specialty. He doesn't always have to log in as much minutes as Coby or Zach. And he doesn't have to play more minutes than Drummond.

[RSP83]

is it just me or Zach is just low key not caring? It's as if he intentionally play safe and tentatively. It's like he's intentionally playing 3rd option player Zach.

Whatever it is, what he's showing is still not enough. It's almost like he's taking the easy way out in trying to integrate himself with the team.

[MalagaBulls]

AK is responsible for this mess and has just worn me out. He destroyed the future with that terrible Vuc trade and then doubled down on resigning him for another 3 years.
Now we're back to jamming the square peg 3 into round holes again.

[samwana]

The Bulls are currently in 9th place and are essentially the same, record-wise, as the team last year.

Are AKME going to make changes? If they stay the course (little to no moves) how many years will the Bulls be a fringe play-in/low playoff seed team?

It would be nice if they could get some length. If AJ Griffin could be had for cheap I would like to see something like that. I really don’t think the bulls make any big moves to save the season at the deadline. This roster changes in the offseason, for sure.


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We thought last summer the roster would change for sure. What makes you think it will next summer?

We need real power forwards and a coach that plays them as well.