Should Coby Keep Taking So Many Charges?

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Charges are literally the best possible defensive play. It's like a steal, but the opponent also takes a PF.

And it often erases a basket or an offensive rebound put back.

I tried to find a way to calculate the value of a charge by using the NBA average points per possession - but given how many charges are drawn in the paint, on drives that would otherwise result in a rim attempt, that would vastly understate it. Then there’s the foul applied to the other player and team, like MikeDC said.

I’m sure someone put there has done a good value add analysis. Suffice to say they’re worth a lot.

[kulaz3000]

Coby shouldn’t ever sprint, he may trip and fall. He should only ever be jogging around. No jumping either, just the occasional hop.

[Bulliever2020]

How does this thread not have a poll?

And he obviously should keep taking charges.

[madvillian]

Yes. Next question.

[DuckIII]

How does this thread not have a poll?

And he obviously should keep taking charges.

Do we really need one to know how lopsided it would be?

[Bulliever2020]

How does this thread not have a poll?

And he obviously should keep taking charges.

Do we really need one to know how lopsided it would be?

That's exactly why we need one. Who doesn't love a lopsided poll?

Pre-emptive "Thats what she said"

[TheSuzerain]

One of the worst threads of the year.

[DuckIII]

One of the worst threads of the year.

Only 22 days left to top it.

[Dez]

How often do players get steamrolled taking charges?

As soon as contact is made they fall to the floor to get the call.

Non-issue.

[Michael Jackson]

I think he should definitely keep taking them. They are huge moves that help win games. I'm OK with the risk. Maybe if he got injured multiple times from them then I'd want him to scale it back.

That is reasonable. I wish he would be a little more selective. I have seen that grimace on his face while grasping an elbow, or his chin, or another body part while getting up too many times already. If he keeps it up it is only a matter of time.

Weird thing is taking charges is a lot like taking defensive hits in football. Both of which I have done a lot because I was always only a physical player. That is all I offered and mostly on defense. I tore my ACL polaying offense running the ball and my ckleat getting stuck and my left leg standing straight up while my body hit the ground. I reinsured it cutting on an offensive play in basketball trying to cut bast a defender etc... before it was fully healed. Kinda like Boobie Miles (in the movie not IRL) (also I could never cut like that elite of an athlete Maybe I look like Lebron in an 80 and older league lol)

Taking a charge though you can generally fall well..l not saying there is no wear and tear there is but you are prepped for it. Caruso had his worst injury not on defense.

I get your point but the point of sports is sacrificing your body. D Rose most felt was going to get hurt but it was his reckless attacks against defenses, not him taking chargers. Anything up in the air seems more tragic than a planted charge IMHO.


All that being said I might be wrong and Maybe White suffers a major injury.

[MikeDC]

I think he should definitely keep taking them. They are huge moves that help win games. I'm OK with the risk. Maybe if he got injured multiple times from them then I'd want him to scale it back.

That is reasonable. I wish he would be a little more selective. I have seen that grimace on his face while grasping an elbow, or his chin, or another body part while getting up too many times already. If he keeps it up it is only a matter of time.

Weird thing is taking charges is a lot like taking defensive hits in football. Both of which I have done a lot because I was always only a physical player. That is all I offered and mostly on defense. I tore my ACL polaying offense running the ball and my ckleat getting stuck and my left leg standing straight up while my body hit the ground. I reinsured it cutting on an offensive play in basketball trying to cut bast a defender etc... before it was fully healed. Kinda like Boobie Miles (in the movie not IRL) (also I could never cut like that elite of an athlete Maybe I look like Lebron in an 80 and older league lol)

Taking a charge though you can generally fall well..l not saying there is no wear and tear there is but you are prepped for it. Caruso had his worst injury not on defense.

I get your point but the point of sports is sacrificing your body. D Rose most felt was going to get hurt but it was his reckless attacks against defenses, not him taking chargers. Anything up in the air seems more tragic than a planted charge IMHO.


All that being said I might be wrong and Maybe White suffers a major injury.

Now that I'm thinking of it, I can't ever remember a guy really getting seriously injured taking (or trying) to take a charge. I'm sure it's happened, but I can't think of a guy who really got messed up doing it.

[Bandit King]

Sure why not?

[Stratmaster]

And good on DDR for taking that charge in the open court last night as well. That’s part of being a team player.

I didn't see the exact play, but Demar generally isn't reckless, so I expect it is "good on DDR".

DDR isn't a good defender, but he's historically a guy who takes great care of himself and he draws plenty of charges:

Last year
Caruso 14
DDR 13
Coby 8
PBev 7

I have been talking about DDR the whole thread. Already addressed this

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[Stratmaster]

Charges are literally the best possible defensive play. It's like a steal, but the opponent also takes a PF.

This argument is just not one I can take seriously. But to the specifics, no, taking a charge is not specifically dangerous if you know what you're doing. If you do martial arts, one of the things you learn and practice is how to take a punch and how to fall down.

Like, I've probably spent hours learning how to fall down. Which sounds pretty damn silly, but it really does make a difference.

In the NBA, guys who take charges a lot, watch them. They know how to fall down right. It's like flopping. They do that too. But you learn how to absorb contact and how to be set right and how to land.

Knowing how to take a charge and being willing to do it makes a bad defender passable and makes good defenders great defenders.

Exactly. I already addressed this about Coby. He doesn't know how to take a charge the way Demar does.

Funny that NBA players think they are dangerous, but you have decided they aren't.

There is a reason less than 40 players have taken more than 2 charges this season.

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[Stratmaster]

It's an interesting thought, but I disagree. For one, Coby doesn't seem injury prone in the way Caruso is. More generally, it's a basketball play and I don't think players should be discouraged from making basketball plays that help the team win. Driving to the basket and drawing contact is more likely to cause an injury than standing in the corner, and I don't think you'd encourage an offense that was just guys standing in place and passing the ball around the perimeter. So where do you draw the line?

Perhaps he could take charges in a better way that lessen the impact on his body, maybe it hurts and it affects his offensive capability. But I'd trust the basketball player to make that decision. Regardless, I like your thinking because it seems like Coby is really coming into his own on both ends...dare I say Pat Williams is too? This team is starting to become watchable again, please get Zach off the roster ASAP.

Well put. I just hate to see the one good thing happening for the Bulls right now laying on the floor in pain, and I have already seen it a few times with Coby.

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[Stratmaster]

Hot take: charges shouldn't even be a thing

Yeah. Pretty much.

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[Stratmaster]

Coby shouldn’t ever sprint, he may trip and fall. He should only ever be jogging around. No jumping either, just the occasional hop.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply to all the actual information being given.

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[Stratmaster]

How often do players get steamrolled taking charges?

As soon as contact is made they fall to the floor to get the call.

Non-issue.

I'm not talking about "players". I'm talking about Coby.

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[Stratmaster]

I think he should definitely keep taking them. They are huge moves that help win games. I'm OK with the risk. Maybe if he got injured multiple times from them then I'd want him to scale it back.

That is reasonable. I wish he would be a little more selective. I have seen that grimace on his face while grasping an elbow, or his chin, or another body part while getting up too many times already. If he keeps it up it is only a matter of time.

Weird thing is taking charges is a lot like taking defensive hits in football. Both of which I have done a lot because I was always only a physical player. That is all I offered and mostly on defense. I tore my ACL polaying offense running the ball and my ckleat getting stuck and my left leg standing straight up while my body hit the ground. I reinsured it cutting on an offensive play in basketball trying to cut bast a defender etc... before it was fully healed. Kinda like Boobie Miles (in the movie not IRL) (also I could never cut like that elite of an athlete Maybe I look like Lebron in an 80 and older league lol)

Taking a charge though you can generally fall well..l not saying there is no wear and tear there is but you are prepped for it. Caruso had his worst injury not on defense.

I get your point but the point of sports is sacrificing your body. D Rose most felt was going to get hurt but it was his reckless attacks against defenses, not him taking chargers. Anything up in the air seems more tragic than a planted charge IMHO.


All that being said I might be wrong and Maybe White suffers a major injury.

Lord I hope not. I'm not wishing it on him. It's the nature of some of the charges he has taken that scares me.

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[Stratmaster]

That is reasonable. I wish he would be a little more selective. I have seen that grimace on his face while grasping an elbow, or his chin, or another body part while getting up too many times already. If he keeps it up it is only a matter of time.

Weird thing is taking charges is a lot like taking defensive hits in football. Both of which I have done a lot because I was always only a physical player. That is all I offered and mostly on defense. I tore my ACL polaying offense running the ball and my ckleat getting stuck and my left leg standing straight up while my body hit the ground. I reinsured it cutting on an offensive play in basketball trying to cut bast a defender etc... before it was fully healed. Kinda like Boobie Miles (in the movie not IRL) (also I could never cut like that elite of an athlete Maybe I look like Lebron in an 80 and older league lol)

Taking a charge though you can generally fall well..l not saying there is no wear and tear there is but you are prepped for it. Caruso had his worst injury not on defense.

I get your point but the point of sports is sacrificing your body. D Rose most felt was going to get hurt but it was his reckless attacks against defenses, not him taking chargers. Anything up in the air seems more tragic than a planted charge IMHO.


All that being said I might be wrong and Maybe White suffers a major injury.

Now that I'm thinking of it, I can't ever remember a guy really getting seriously injured taking (or trying) to take a charge. I'm sure it's happened, but I can't think of a guy who really got messed up doing it.

Again, already addressed this. Was never talking about long term injuries.

I have the numbers. The top 11 guys in taking charges have played less than 75% of their games so far this season. Not trying to say it is direct causality, but it's the best data available.

Players don't want to take them for a reason.

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