Time to get real on Pat's next contract

[2weekswithpay]

Pat is basic. It’s crazy to think he’d get a better contract than Coby. If he does…..hopefully it’s from another team.

Positional value. Forwards are desired, 3&D forwards even more so.

[2weekswithpay]

I'd be surprised if the Bulls manage to keep Pat for less than the MLE with 3&D forwards being so highly valued. Pat's agent sees what Rui got last summer (3yrs 51M) as the minimum. Also, it's hard to imagine a team like Detroit wouldn't throw 20M per season at Pat since, they liked him predraft, He's young, and fills an immediate need.

[Ice Man]

Oh, Pat will get paid. The question is whether that team will get its money's worth. To take Rui as an example, he's somewhere between the 4th and 6th best player on a 19-20 team that has both a genuine #1 and a genuine #2 option. But it's only a .500 unit because the supporting cast isn't meaningfully helpful. Basically, if you tossed Rui off the Lakers, they would pretty much have the same record.

[Flopper]

Does Pat need to play at a lighter weight? Comparing him to Kuminga and Wiggins during last night's game, who are both something close to an archetypical modern forward, he seemed to be carrying a lot more weight in his upper body. The ankle is obviously an issue right now, but he seemed to really struggle with the pace and movement GS was playing at. And earlier in the season he was still getting near flat tires on single leg dunk attempts with relatively fresh legs.

[Hangtime84]

Does Pat need to play at a lighter weight? Comparing him to Kuminga and Wiggins during last night's game, who are both something close to an archetypical modern forward, he seemed to be carrying a lot more weight in his upper body. The ankle is obviously an issue right now, but he seemed to really struggle with the pace and movement GS was playing at. And earlier in the season he was still getting near flat tires on single leg dunk attempts with relatively fresh legs.

I think he just trying to play through an injury. 2weeks ago he wasn’t moving like this

[GoBlue72391]

Does Pat need to play at a lighter weight? Comparing him to Kuminga and Wiggins during last night's game, who are both something close to an archetypical modern forward, he seemed to be carrying a lot more weight in his upper body. The ankle is obviously an issue right now, but he seemed to really struggle with the pace and movement GS was playing at. And earlier in the season he was still getting near flat tires on single leg dunk attempts with relatively fresh legs.

He's just not an explosive athlete. Not sure if it's a weight thing or just a natural gift thing, but he's never got much lift hence all the missed dunks. He's not very fast either nor is he shifty/agile and doesn't seem to have great body control. He also has less-than-ideal lateral quickness.

He looks like he should be an athletic freak and that fools people into thinking he is. He's not unathletic by any means, but he's also not a standout athlete either. I'd rank him as an average athlete for his position/role/playstyle. Sometimes he looks like he might be slightly above average, other times he looks like he might be slightly below.

He might not even be a top 5 athlete on this team.

[sco]

Does Pat need to play at a lighter weight? Comparing him to Kuminga and Wiggins during last night's game, who are both something close to an archetypical modern forward, he seemed to be carrying a lot more weight in his upper body. The ankle is obviously an issue right now, but he seemed to really struggle with the pace and movement GS was playing at. And earlier in the season he was still getting near flat tires on single leg dunk attempts with relatively fresh legs.

He's just not an explosive athlete. Not sure if it's a weight thing or just a natural gift thing, but he's never got much lift hence all the missed dunks. He's not very fast either nor is he shifty/agile and doesn't seem to have great body control. He also has less-than-ideal lateral quickness.

He looks like he should be an athletic freak and that fools people into thinking he is. He's not unathletic by any means, but he's also not a standout athlete either. I'd rank him as an average athlete for his position/role/playstyle. Sometimes he looks like he might be slightly above average, other times he looks like he might be slightly below.

He might not even be a top 5 athlete on this team.

He is battling an ankle sprain, but moreover, Pat can't dribble in the paint. He will be able to fix this over time (not this season). Because Billy just wants him to look for his offense, I'm sure he isn't getting criticized for dribbling, but what happens IMO is that he tries to dribble for a dunk, turns the ball over a couple times, and stops shooting for the rest of the game. I still don't get why he isn't being told to shoot more 3's. I've said this 100 times, but because he needs to decide whether to shoot, pass or drive, it slows down his 3pt process. Just being ready to shoot, IMO would help him out a lot.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Pat needs to get it together. He has been back to the old Pat in Jan so far. Hasnt score in double figures yet.

EDIT: Ok he is off the hook. Apparently he has been trying to play thru injury.

[RSP83]

Assuming Coby and Zach is an established core duo going forward, I feel Pat is still some ways away from matching their level to become the 3rd building block. We need a 3rd star not named DeRozan or Vucevic.

[Wingy]

Not one bit surprised. I knew they should’ve rested him back to that Charlotte game. But ya know, that 5th time you play at home is really special, so just let the player decide!!

Put him back on the bench too so he just watches someone play iso instead of being involved in team offense like he should.

Just do everything you possibly can to make assessing this kid even harder!

So much Bulls. So short-sighted. So the franchise that brought you The Ring of Shame.

Don’t be shocked with the win now ways if we’re a dark horse for Siakam trading Lonzo/Pat/filler to get even older!

[bledredwine]

Pat doesn’t strike me as someone who will improve much.

However, he does strike me as someone who will be reliable and you know what you’re getting. The Bulls pay whatever that is worth to them.

[GoBlue72391]

Pat needs to get it together. He has been back to the old Pat in Jan so far. Hasnt score in double figures yet.

EDIT: Ok he is off the hook. Apparently he has been trying to play thru injury.

Everyone has to play through injuries, he shouldn't get a pass to produce nothing while playing through injury as a 4th-year player. That's part of being an NBA player.

[Stratmaster]

Pat needs to get it together. He has been back to the old Pat in Jan so far. Hasnt score in double figures yet.

EDIT: Ok he is off the hook. Apparently he has been trying to play thru injury.

So that takes him off the hook? It's amazing the number of things we come up with on here that take him off the hook.

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[Stratmaster]

Pat doesn’t strike me as someone who will improve much.

However, he does strike me as someone who will be reliable and you know what you’re getting. The Bulls pay whatever that is worth to them.

Pat is a solid 2nd team 3 and D rotation player.

Nothing wrong with that. Just don't overpay for it.

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[Chi town]

Kid just doesn’t require enough of himself. Still a kid.

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nba/chicago-bulls/education-continues-for-bulls-patrick-williams/534261/

[MikeDC]

This ankle problem that isn't going to go away for the rest of the season is pretty troubling.

[Chi town]

This ankle problem that isn't going to go away for the rest of the season is pretty troubling.

Nah. Just keeps his next contract lower.

[2weekswithpay]

This ankle problem that isn't going to go away for the rest of the season is pretty troubling.

Nah. Just keeps his next contract lower.

Disagree. If a team is prepared to offer Pat 20M per season, that ankle isn't stopping them from doing it.

[coldfish]

Last 10 Bulls games:
7 games played
8.1p 2.6r 1.6a 2.0to 39.2%fg

Man his contract is going to be tough. He just shows you a little and then it disappears.

[panthermark]

Pat needs a performance based contract on a game by game basis!