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MissileMike wrote:At this point, if you could only keep one, would it be Ayo or Coby?

DuckIII wrote:

MissileMike wrote:At this point, if you could only keep one, would it be Ayo or Coby?

This question has been like a see-saw for 3 years. Fortunately we don’t have to choose and if one or both ends up disappointing they are on great contracts.

MrSparkle wrote:I don’t think either has “worth selling high” value. What are you getting for Coby- a top-10 pick in this draft? A Reaves, Rozier, Kuzma or an even older player?

How about Ayo? What do you get back? Duncan Robinson? A 15th pick in this bad draft?

What available all star is worth consolidating assets for? We can’t trade 25 nor 26 due to the Demar pick owed, and our best players (besides Caruso and Ayo) are not great complimentary players.

Andi Obst wrote:The thing I love most about his game is that he understands how important it is to put pressure on a defense early in the shot clock. He's so good at getting (relatively) easy buckets when the defense isn't fully set just because he pushes the tempo and gets to the rim when most others would wait for their teammates to run regular plays. Lonzo used to be great at that (not with his scoring, but with his insane cross-court passing). The Bulls kind of lost that when he went down. For a team that often struggles to score and generally plays slow, this is extremely important.

kulaz3000 wrote:

Andi Obst wrote:The thing I love most about his game is that he understands how important it is to put pressure on a defense early in the shot clock. He's so good at getting (relatively) easy buckets when the defense isn't fully set just because he pushes the tempo and gets to the rim when most others would wait for their teammates to run regular plays. Lonzo used to be great at that (not with his scoring, but with his insane cross-court passing). The Bulls kind of lost that when he went down. For a team that often struggles to score and generally plays slow, this is extremely important.

He actually plays a lot like Coby did in college and how I expected him to play in the NBA. Not that Coby doesn't push the pace at times, but Ayo does it a lot more relentlessly throughout the game, and for his size he is pretty darn quick.

Ice Man wrote:Yes, Ayo is a great open-court player. Half court is a work in progress. I mean, it has to be, because if he were as good in the half court as he is full court, he would be an All NBA guard.

sco wrote:

kulaz3000 wrote:

Andi Obst wrote:The thing I love most about his game is that he understands how important it is to put pressure on a defense early in the shot clock. He's so good at getting (relatively) easy buckets when the defense isn't fully set just because he pushes the tempo and gets to the rim when most others would wait for their teammates to run regular plays. Lonzo used to be great at that (not with his scoring, but with his insane cross-court passing). The Bulls kind of lost that when he went down. For a team that often struggles to score and generally plays slow, this is extremely important.

He actually plays a lot like Coby did in college and how I expected him to play in the NBA. Not that Coby doesn't push the pace at times, but Ayo does it a lot more relentlessly throughout the game, and for his size he is pretty darn quick.

You're right. Was thinking same. Coby never seemed to bring that to the NBA. I think part of Ayo's leveling up this season is doing more rim attacking...it leads to good things and builds his confidence.

Not sure how the guard rotation shakes out next season, but I hope that Ayo gets close to 30mpg in the rotation and he demonstrates consistency.

Michael Jackson wrote:

sco wrote:

kulaz3000 wrote:
He actually plays a lot like Coby did in college and how I expected him to play in the NBA. Not that Coby doesn't push the pace at times, but Ayo does it a lot more relentlessly throughout the game, and for his size he is pretty darn quick.

You're right. Was thinking same. Coby never seemed to bring that to the NBA. I think part of Ayo's leveling up this season is doing more rim attacking...it leads to good things and builds his confidence.

Not sure how the guard rotation shakes out next season, but I hope that Ayo gets close to 30mpg in the rotation and he demonstrates consistency.

Yeah Coby sets more and he pushed in college but I think he wasn't really a PG just the dude who brought the ball up the court and the speed of the NBA game he was intimidated and was looking to defer to the vets.

sco wrote:

Ice Man wrote:Yes, Ayo is a great open-court player. Half court is a work in progress. I mean, it has to be, because if he were as good in the half court as he is full court, he would be an All NBA guard.

He has a ways to go there, but also, the ball spends too much time in Demar's and Vuc's hands to give other guys much of a chance in the half court except for spot up 3's.

DuckIII wrote:

sco wrote:

Ice Man wrote:Yes, Ayo is a great open-court player. Half court is a work in progress. I mean, it has to be, because if he were as good in the half court as he is full court, he would be an All NBA guard.

He has a ways to go there, but also, the ball spends too much time in Demar's and Vuc's hands to give other guys much of a chance in the half court except for spot up 3's.

I agree, but he has made significant improvement in that area as well. Starting to see a lot more variety in the way he scores in the half court, he’s much less of a “ball swinger” than he used to be and looks to score a lot more (whether than produces an actual shot from him or not), and the increased speed on the release of his shot is downright remarkable.

And then the more subtle things. What stood out most to me about Ayo in the Hawks game was his body language. He looked very much at ease, and you could even say a little cocky, in that game. Ayo plays hard every game but there has been a reluctance in him that seems to be finally falling away. It’s really hard to not get excited about his future le with the way he’s been playing the last few months.

sco wrote:

DuckIII wrote:

sco wrote:He has a ways to go there, but also, the ball spends too much time in Demar's and Vuc's hands to give other guys much of a chance in the half court except for spot up 3's.

I agree, but he has made significant improvement in that area as well. Starting to see a lot more variety in the way he scores in the half court, he’s much less of a “ball swinger” than he used to be and looks to score a lot more (whether than produces an actual shot from him or not), and the increased speed on the release of his shot is downright remarkable.

And then the more subtle things. What stood out most to me about Ayo in the Hawks game was his body language. He looked very much at ease, and you could even say a little cocky, in that game. Ayo plays hard every game but there has been a reluctance in him that seems to be finally falling away. It’s really hard to not get excited about his future le with the way he’s been playing the last few months.

I agree with that. He seems to start games in attack mode, but when we play teams with good rim protection, I notice he still disappears after a couple of misses.

I know most folks blame Young for ATL's woes this season, but Capella isn't the rim protector he used to be. He blocked only .3 per game, which is even less than Vuc.

Muzbar wrote:

sco wrote:

DuckIII wrote:
I agree, but he has made significant improvement in that area as well. Starting to see a lot more variety in the way he scores in the half court, he’s much less of a “ball swinger” than he used to be and looks to score a lot more (whether than produces an actual shot from him or not), and the increased speed on the release of his shot is downright remarkable.

And then the more subtle things. What stood out most to me about Ayo in the Hawks game was his body language. He looked very much at ease, and you could even say a little cocky, in that game. Ayo plays hard every game but there has been a reluctance in him that seems to be finally falling away. It’s really hard to not get excited about his future le with the way he’s been playing the last few months.

I agree with that. He seems to start games in attack mode, but when we play teams with good rim protection, I notice he still disappears after a couple of misses.

I know most folks blame Young for ATL's woes this season, but Capella isn't the rim protector he used to be. He blocked only .3 per game, which is even less than Vuc.

Capela averaged 1.5 bpg this season...

sco wrote:

Michael Jackson wrote:

sco wrote:You're right. Was thinking same. Coby never seemed to bring that to the NBA. I think part of Ayo's leveling up this season is doing more rim attacking...it leads to good things and builds his confidence.

Not sure how the guard rotation shakes out next season, but I hope that Ayo gets close to 30mpg in the rotation and he demonstrates consistency.

Yeah Coby sets more and he pushed in college but I think he wasn't really a PG just the dude who brought the ball up the court and the speed of the NBA game he was intimidated and was looking to defer to the vets.

I think one of the things that limits Coby that he lacks the ability to get separation based on speed or length. That said, I think he has recognized this limitation this season as he has incorporated more juking and cross-overs into his attacks.