dougthonus wrote:MikeDC wrote:Why not? I think lots of teams would give up something for Pat that they wouldnt give up for Zach. Various rumors have said as much.
Zach is more productive but much older and more expensive. You trade for him because you dont have anything else to do with the money.
Pat is different. You’re getting a guy who’s still a prospect. Maybe they figure Pat is two years ahead of Ausar Thompson and they cant afford to wait. Again, I agree that I wouldnt, but thats the sort of deal that teams make sometimes. Id at least consider it if i had some good feedback from Pat’s agent about what it would take to keep him.
Pat's was probably a worse prospect than all those guys out coming into the league, still hasn't really shown all that much except low rung starter upside and no meaningful skill development, and has the worst contract situation. Detroit is the antithesis of a team with time pressure.
But sure, if the Pistons are willing to swap any of those four guys for Pat, I'd be in.
I'm not a huge Pat guy, but I think you're underselling him a bit. Forwards who've demonstrated they are good defensively and can shoot the 3 are still a pretty rare commodity. He might be a low level starter, but he's a guy who's going to play a significant role on any team he's on. You can plug him onto any team and he'd play.
Ausar is shooting 15% from 3. That makes him unplayable on a serious team. His shot is totally broken. Even if it improves to "passable" there's no path forward to him and Cade (who's a bad shooter) playing together with Duren. That's three dudes who flat out can't shoot as the blueprint for their team of the future?
Ivey is a 6'4" SG who can't shoot. Unlike Ausar, he's not an elite athlete. He's not really a PG. Put all that together and he's a guy that could very well not turn out at all.
I think the Pistons actually do have time pressure or they wouldn't be considering Zach. But beyond that, they need to consider what exactly they're trying to build.
Right now, they've assembled some talented prospects who, beyond everything else you might say about them, it's hard to see how they EVER fit together.
Cade (34%)
Ivey (32%)
Ausar (15%)
Stewart (38%)
Duren (0%)
Stewart, who they'd be giving up, if I they trade for Zach is literally their only guy who's in any way OK for his position. Out of their young guys (aside from Sasser, who I guess they see as a backup) they have nothing that projects to a coherent NBA lineup because none of these guys can shoot.
Pat doesn't shoot enough, but he's raising his volume ever so slowly and shooting the ball well. He would literally be their best shooter if they traded for him, and it's not really close.