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WindyCityBorn wrote:I don’t think he wants to be here any more . He explicitly said he is getting old and ways to win. Hopefully he gone. He was a really pleasant surprise, but his time is up here.

After getting knocked out of the play in he was frustrated. He didn’t say he wants to leave but wants to win, pretty much putting pressure on the front office to make the team better.

Red8911 wrote:There’s no question the Bulls should resign Demar. He earned it and the team needs him.I think the 40 million for 2 years is a fair deal and he should take it. If he wants a 3rd year it would have to be for significantly less money (for that last year). Mostly because of age.

Both sides want the same thing so I’m sure they will figure it all out before he even officially becomes a FA. He wants to win but at the same time he also wants to be the main guy and get paid. Bulls offer 2/3 and for the winning we ll see what AK does to improve this team.

FWIW, the CBA has maximum raise/reduction percentages for contracts, so you can't do, say, $40 million/year for years 1 and 2 and then $20 million for year 3.

Red8911 wrote:

WindyCityBorn wrote:I don’t think he wants to be here any more . He explicitly said he is getting old and ways to win. Hopefully he gone. He was a really pleasant surprise, but his time is up here.

After getting knocked out of the play in he was frustrated. He didn’t say he wants to leave but wants to win, pretty much putting pressure on the front office to make the team better.

Yeah, but do you actually believe in AK to make this team significantly better? I don’t.

I'm fine with Demar on a 2 year extension but only if Zach & Vuc are shipped off.

Dan Z wrote:

DuckIII wrote:

Axl Rose wrote:Don't want him back even for no return.

Same. And would vote the same for Zach and Vuc as well if that’s what it comes down to. The most important thing is that they all no longer be here so we can clean the slate.

DDR is a good player, but the problem is he's crutch to lean on. I know he has blinders on sometimes, but he does help the team when they need points in the 4th quarter.

If DDR never came to Chicago where would the team be in the last three years? I know it's difficult to say because no DDR means they'd have other player, but what if those players were average starters at best (and not the kind of player who can help take over in the 4th). I have my doubts that Zach would do a good job of filling that role and I can't see anyone else on the roster who is capable of doing that. Maybe Coby, when he has a hot hand, but that's inconsistent.

I think it's entirely possible that the Bulls, without DDR, wouldn't even have the "good" season of 2021-22.

Maybe we win the lotto and have Wenby. He has not done anything but secure a mediocre product

Indomitable wrote:

Dan Z wrote:

DuckIII wrote:
Same. And would vote the same for Zach and Vuc as well if that’s what it comes down to. The most important thing is that they all no longer be here so we can clean the slate.

DDR is a good player, but the problem is he's crutch to lean on. I know he has blinders on sometimes, but he does help the team when they need points in the 4th quarter.

If DDR never came to Chicago where would the team be in the last three years? I know it's difficult to say because no DDR means they'd have other player, but what if those players were average starters at best (and not the kind of player who can help take over in the 4th). I have my doubts that Zach would do a good job of filling that role and I can't see anyone else on the roster who is capable of doing that. Maybe Coby, when he has a hot hand, but that's inconsistent.

I think it's entirely possible that the Bulls, without DDR, wouldn't even have the "good" season of 2021-22.

Maybe we win the lotto and have Wenby. He has not done anything but secure a mediocre product

Ak shouldve made a effort to try for Wemby last year. The team was bad so it wouldnt have been that difficult to do so.

jordanwilliams6 wrote:I'm fine with Demar on a 2 year extension but only if Zach & Vuc are shipped off.

If we ship them two off, why keep Demar around?

Re-signing Demar is fine as long as the intent is to trade him ASAP and the contract reflects that.

2/80 is not that. They have to be out of their minds.

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WindyCityBorn wrote:

Red8911 wrote:

WindyCityBorn wrote:I don’t think he wants to be here any more . He explicitly said he is getting old and ways to win. Hopefully he gone. He was a really pleasant surprise, but his time is up here.

After getting knocked out of the play in he was frustrated. He didn’t say he wants to leave but wants to win, pretty much putting pressure on the front office to make the team better.

Yeah, but do you actually believe in AK to make this team significantly better? I don’t.

Give him another chance, I think he can.

Ideally we'd be able to sign him and then trade him to a contender but unfortunately we're not going to be trading with the Bulls to get anything of significant value midseason. Just let it go even though I love the dude.

Red8911 wrote:

WindyCityBorn wrote:

Red8911 wrote:After getting knocked out of the play in he was frustrated. He didn’t say he wants to leave but wants to win, pretty much putting pressure on the front office to make the team better.

Yeah, but do you actually believe in AK to make this team significantly better? I don’t.

Give him another chance, I think he can.

I fear another Vuc type trade . Giving up our future again for a fringe all-star. Considering he isn’t willing to take a step back short-sighted moves like that are only options. We aren’t getting anything for Zach if he is traded this offseason.

I saw this on the General Board:

Dan Z wrote:I saw this on the General Board:

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Don't mind if he's gone but it sucks that he would go for nothing when the bulls had 2 years to trade him.

prolific passer wrote:

Dan Z wrote:I saw this on the General Board:

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Don't mind if he's gone but it sucks that he would go for nothing when the bulls had 2 years to trade him.

AK wasn't going to trade him, but even if he did what kind of market value do you think he had a year or two ago?

Dan Z wrote:

prolific passer wrote:

Dan Z wrote:I saw this on the General Board:

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Don't mind if he's gone but it sucks that he would go for nothing when the bulls had 2 years to trade him.

AK wasn't going to trade him, but even if he did what kind of market value do you think he had a year or two ago?

Package him with the Portland pick and you can have gotten a few players out of him if you find the right team to do so.

prolific passer wrote:

Dan Z wrote:

prolific passer wrote:Don't mind if he's gone but it sucks that he would go for nothing when the bulls had 2 years to trade him.

AK wasn't going to trade him, but even if he did what kind of market value do you think he had a year or two ago?

Package him with the Portland pick and you can have gotten a few players out of him if you find the right team to do so.

At his age, and style of play, I bet there's a limit to what he could return in a trade. Plus, anything they get back wouldn't be as valuable as he's been to the Bulls (if you want to stay competitive which is what AK wants to do).

I agree that that they should've moved in a different direction and got assets for him. Zach too.

I do a sign-and-trade, get Rui and either DLo or Vincent (both terrible fits), plus add the rights to their 1st this year
Do right by DDR and add Rui/save some $

Even getting the Laker draft pick doesn't make a S&T very attractive. Hachimura sure is a capable starting PF but he's what he has shown and there's no growth there. Vincent is Javon Carter with double the salary, that makes any deal worse. DLo moves around enough that he probably isn't the leadership the Bulls need. LAL won't include Reaves because they put his value way too high and with either Vincent or Reaves the Bulls would be adding another guard forcing Lavine, Carter and Caruso moves.

Better to let Demar just go and have the cap space and be able to choose who to bring in with it rather than accept the same package that the Lakers have had for a year.. They could have a pick swap with UT for show and take John Collins into their cap space

Dan Z wrote:

prolific passer wrote:

Dan Z wrote:
AK wasn't going to trade him, but even if he did what kind of market value do you think he had a year or two ago?

Package him with the Portland pick and you can have gotten a few players out of him if you find the right team to do so.

At his age, and style of play, I bet there's a limit to what he could return in a trade. Plus, anything they get back wouldn't be as valuable as he's been to the Bulls (if you want to stay competitive which is what AK wants to do).

I agree that that they should've moved in a different direction and got assets for him. Zach too.

There is and that is why I was bringing up the wizards the last few years as they have some nice players who can help the bulls but that's all the past now. Bulls are stuck in limbo due to not doing much and who knows if they will be able to get out of it with the current front office.

I'd gladly sign and trade DDR to the Lakers for Rui Hachimura, Gabe Vincent, and Maxwell Lewis. It's not much of a return, but sending DDR home could lead to good basketball karma. The Bulls organization definitely needs it.