BULLHITTER wrote:The league picks up 500k or so of the cost. That leaves about 400k left which is probably what it cost them to hire him as an assistant, but they probably figured they would bring in another vet at the min and basically break even on his cost and then just pay him more to be an assistant.
these kinds of mangerial decisions make it increasingly frustrating to understand and support the bulls philosophy with regard to team building. idk all the financials and don't really care, but it seems to me that the bulls wasted a lot more time on the nichols kid (who isn't as good as byars, imo) than they've chosen to on byars; maybe they'll yo-yo him back and forth but fwiw, they don't seem all that concerned about developing players, they're just hoping to be in the "right place at the right time" by some miraculous turn of events that might propel them to the upper echelon. i'm becoming increasingly skeptical and aligning my thinking about the bulls operating philosophy as, "as long as we're making money, any and everything else is gravy", tempering my enthusiam. down the road i imagine acrimonious dealings with rose and noah, particularly if the team is annually first and second round fodder. the bulls continue to "hope" players "break out", or someone's giving away a star (a la gasol). with all their dealings being money motivated first and foremost, i just don't know how they'll get themselves out of the 'young" status into a veteran team poised to challenge.
they've been a "young team" for the past 7 seasons. do they EVER take the next step?
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Well this is unfortunate. Who knows, maybe he gets picked up later this season by the Bulls.
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In another move the Magic waived Linton Johnson, hopefully we won't see him back...
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Dumb question:
Aren't salaries guaranteed if the guy plays game 1? If so, is this an attempt by jerrah to re-sign byars after game 1 to give him a non guaranteed deal?
I apologize if this was already answered.
Aren't salaries guaranteed if the guy plays game 1? If so, is this an attempt by jerrah to re-sign byars after game 1 to give him a non guaranteed deal?
I apologize if this was already answered.
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Doesn't this have the feel of step one? What will be step two me wonders.
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coldfish wrote:Dumb question:
Aren't salaries guaranteed if the guy plays game 1? If so, is this an attempt by jerrah to re-sign byars after game 1 to give him a non guaranteed deal?
I apologize if this was already answered.
I don't have Sham's expertise, but I believe Byars was on a standard nonguaranteed deal to begin with. He could have been cut at any point up to a deadline date (sometime in January, I believe) after which his deal would have been guaranteed for the rest of the season.
I don't see a great rationale out there for cutting him now, other than which how close they are to the tax, they want to keep the flexibility to bring someone in in response to a serious injury to someone in the rotation taking place/and or they feel sticking to 13 on the roster gives them maximum trade flexibility going forward.
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Besides me thinking Byars can help the team win, the team now is even thinner SF/SG.
I watched the games last night. I believe most of the teams used 9 - 10 player rotations.
Don't know how many starting shooting guards are also the main back up at SF for their team.
With Salmons starting in that 3 guard rotation, someone who can make a jump shot and defend the SF position will be needed.
We'll see how this plays out.
I watched the games last night. I believe most of the teams used 9 - 10 player rotations.
Don't know how many starting shooting guards are also the main back up at SF for their team.
With Salmons starting in that 3 guard rotation, someone who can make a jump shot and defend the SF position will be needed.
We'll see how this plays out.
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dougthonus wrote:Grand.Champ wrote:Seriously someone needs to Tonya Harding Pargo
Why? You want to see Lindsay Hunter play?
Ok I take that back, someone SHOULD HAVE Tonya Harding(ed) Pargo YESTERDAY.
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Sinistar6 wrote:I will give it 2 weeks and you guys will be jockin Pargo. (after he's healthy)
As in like screaming at the TV "OH MY GOD PARGO YOU SUCK DICK!!!" jockin?
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coldfish wrote:Dumb question:
Aren't salaries guaranteed if the guy plays game 1? If so, is this an attempt by jerrah to re-sign byars after game 1 to give him a non guaranteed deal?
I apologize if this was already answered.
It depends on contract. If contract is non-guaranteed, he would only be paid for games played. He played how many? None? OK
By mid-January, then the contract becomes guaranteed for the rest of the season regardless of games played. Not before then - unless there is something in the contract otherwise.
What no one seems to realize: Last year we waived Ruffin & then re-signed him after he cleared waivers. We could be doing it again with this guy - no?
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So I guess James Johnson will be playing some Emergency PG? I remember against the Magic...VDN played Johnson at SG and Tyrus at SF.
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Tommy Udo 6 wrote:coldfish wrote:Dumb question:
Aren't salaries guaranteed if the guy plays game 1? If so, is this an attempt by jerrah to re-sign byars after game 1 to give him a non guaranteed deal?
I apologize if this was already answered.
It depends on contract. If contract is non-guaranteed, he would only be paid for games played. He played how many? None? OK
By mid-January, then the contract becomes guaranteed for the rest of the season regardless of games played. Not before then - unless there is something in the contract otherwise.
What no one seems to realize: Last year we waived Ruffin & then re-signed him after he cleared waivers. We could be doing it again with this guy - no?
That's what I was thinking.
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dougthonus wrote:
I think if they had it to do over again they wouldn't pay Hunter, but they probably didn't think anyone was going to be worthy of keeping in camp, and they probably had to guarantee Hunter in order to make him not just retire.
I don't really agree. Hunter was voted as team captain. He's doing his job. Surely the Bulls didn't believe that he'd contribute anything on the court.
In a previous thread you stated that you thought if GarPax wanted Gordon that Reinsdorf would've made it happen. Couldn't they have made this happen pretty easily? To me it seems like he just didn't make the team, and I'm not really sure why.
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I really think they will bring him back, maybe cleared waiver wire first.
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BOOO HISSS BOOOOO
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coldfish wrote:Dumb question:
Aren't salaries guaranteed if the guy plays game 1? If so, is this an attempt by jerrah to re-sign byars after game 1 to give him a non guaranteed deal?
I apologize if this was already answered.
No. Some contracts have stipulations such as "becomes fully guaranteed if no waived on or before October 28th" or some sheet like that, but Byars had no such thing. His was just filly unguaranteed, meaning he gets paid per diem until January 10th.
He will get some money from the Bulls, though. There's 170 days in a regular season, and Byars was on the roster for two days, plus two days of waivers. So he gets four days worth of pay, which is $457,588 / 170 * 4, which is $10,767. For tax purposes, that goes up to $19,423.
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Also, no one's going to pick up Derrick Byars. If ever we need him back, he'll be available.
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What's the financial advantage of waiving him and then re-signing him if/when he clears waivers?
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If they pick him again instantly, none.
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Ben B. wrote:What's the financial advantage of waiving him and then re-signing him if/when he clears waivers?
Ruffin had something in his original contract last year that Bulls didnt like. I think it had to do with a minimum guaranteed payout. Anyways, they waived him & then signed him to a contract without the offending part.
Since Sham says that there is nothing controversial in Byars deal, the Bulls probably are not going to pick him up again right away
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