Should Coby Keep Taking So Many Charges?

[Dez]

Some players are good at taking charges safely. Coby isn't. You obviously aren't following the discussion.

And yes. It's an issue.

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I'm following the "discussion", Coby take charges fine and it's still a non-issue.

Ok Dez. You said it, so....

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Actually Coby not getting hurt by taking charges says it, not me.

[Stratmaster]

I'm following the "discussion", Coby take charges fine and it's still a non-issue.

Ok Dez. You said it, so....

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Actually Coby not getting hurt by taking charges says it, not me.

He has been hurt. I just posted a video of him getting hurt. Fortunately, he didn't miss any time.

I just want him to be at full strength to play. Not playing at 80% or missing games here and there while his bruises and bumps heal.

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[WindyCityBorn]

So you are saying you want him to play worse defense?

[samwana]

Again, already addressed this. Was never talking about long term injuries.

I have the numbers. The top 11 guys in taking charges have played less than 75% of their games so far this season. Not trying to say it is direct causality, but it's the best data available.

Players don't want to take them for a reason.

Take the L.

This one make you feel comfortable?

https://youtu.be/Z21gtIpo09w?si=6qlN5YlHFxBc4uFx

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Coaching staff should tell Coby to stop doing THESE ones, because they are especially dangerous. And this one probably doesn't count as a charge in stats. So in real he takes even more charges.

I agree with Strat too, he should learn from DDR and keep away from the 230 upwards guys that come up in full speed.

[Seccci]

As we see with Lavine, just scoring 25 on 60+TS is not special anymore in today's NBA if it's not paired with other elite qualities like playmaking, defense, rebounding.

If Coby can maintain 20+ ppg at around 60ts, but with added defense plus developing playmaking, that is more valuable, than he should continue to do what makes him perform at this current level. He is 23, so development is not closed to him yet

[sco]

I don't feel like taking charges is a big source of meaningful injuries.

[dougthonus]

I would probably coach everyone to stop trying to take charges.

I agree with the initial premise, it isn't likely to tear your ACL, but it is the type of thing that takes a physical toll on your body and creates dangerous conditions. Also, while a successful charge is an amazing play for you, the much of the time you try to take a charge you draw a blocking foul and also do not contest the shot (since you're falling down) which also leads to a high level of and1s.

I think these things generally balance each other out in plays that go heavily against you and for you, and I'd instead say you're left with an attempt that overall has a neutral outcome but creates dangerous conditions.

[Stratmaster]

So you are saying you want him to play worse defense?

Where did I say that?

[Lunartic]

It's peak dishonesty to pretend like taking charges doesn't put the defensive player (and offensive) player at risk.

Insisting we need some stat available to log all nagging minor injuries relative to charges is just nonsense. It's simple, you have a 200lbs+ dude slam into you, you're gonna feel it and it absolutely can injure you. Anyone that has played ball at any level knows how much it hurts and how dangerous it is.

Similarly, I wouldn't want any of my players to dive into the stands for loose-balls just to win some random RS game. Game 7 of the finals? Sure why not? You'll have an entire off season to recover if anything goes wrong.

Hot take: charges shouldn't even be a thing

Agreed entirely but the league rewards offensive players for barrelling into dudes that stand their ground so you essentially need to fall over like you got shot in order to get any advantage.

[Stratmaster]

It's peak dishonesty to pretend like taking charges doesn't put the defensive player (and offensive) player at risk.

Insisting we need some stat available to log all nagging minor injuries relative to charges is just nonsense. It's simple, you have a 200lbs+ dude slam into you, you're gonna feel it and it absolutely can injure you. Anyone that has played ball at any level knows how much it hurts and how dangerous it is.

Similarly, I wouldn't want any of my players to dive into the stands for loose-balls just to win some random RS game. Game 7 of the finals? Sure why not? You'll have an entire off season to recover if anything goes wrong.

Hot take: charges shouldn't even be a thing

Agreed entirely but the league rewards offensive players for barrelling into dudes that stand their ground so you essentially need to fall over like you got shot in order to get any advantage.

As a skinny 6'4" guy who always got paired against the 220' 6'4 guy, I know exactly what you are saying. Hell, it hurts to get run over by a guy that much bigger in post play, more or less jumping in front of him when he actually has momentum toward the basket.

[Stratmaster]

How does this thread not have a poll?

And he obviously should keep taking charges.

Do we really need one to know how lopsided it would be?

You might want to go back and count the individuals and their responses. And then you might want to look at which responses have any actual reasoning, or factual basis.

[Risk Addict]

Coby needs the charge option in his defensive tool bag. Like others have said, just being an efficient high volume scorer does not win games anymore. It is not a unique enough skill. You need to be well rounded. Small guards like Coby have their quickness as only advantage on defense. He’s not going to out jump or out muscle guys. He can try to get steals with off ball defense but much harder to do on ball unless you are elite.

[prolific passer]

Who's in charge of Coby taking so many charges? I will charge into battle against them.

[HomoSapien]

Stat has gotten a lot of ****, but to an extent I understand the fear. I can't help but picture Pippen taking charge after charge on Karl Malone and destroying his back. That said, you can't coach him to stop. He's good at it and it works.

As a side note, I hate that this ever became a basketball play. I don't get how sliding in front of someone should be rewarded. I wish they would get rid of this so that players would be forced to challenge shots instead.

[madvillian]

Stat has gotten a lot of ****, but to an extent I understand the fear. I can't help but picture Pippen taking charge after charge on Karl Malone and destroying his back. That said, you can't coach him to stop. He's good at it and it works.

As a side note, I hate that this ever became a basketball play. I don't get how sliding in front of someone should be rewarded. I wish they would get rid of this so that players would be forced to challenge shots instead.

That would end Wisconsin basketball. So we should do it. Agree.

[Stratmaster]

Quick update.

In the first 23 games Coby took 7 charges.
In the 8 games since I started this thread, since it became apparent he is the only great thing the Bulls have had going for them, he has taken 0.

[Stratmaster]

Latest. 7 charges taken in first 23 games.

0 in the last 12.

I guess he stopped trying to play defense.

Either that or someone talked some common sense into him.

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[PaKii94]

Latest. 7 charges taken in first 23 games.

0 in the last 12.

I guess he stopped trying to play defense.

Either that or someone talked some common sense into him.

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He saw your concern with this thread duh

[Stratmaster]

Latest. 7 charges taken in first 23 games.

0 in the last 12.

I guess he stopped trying to play defense.

Either that or someone talked some common sense into him.

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He saw your concern with this thread duh

No. But someone, likely a coach or vet player, who is smarter than a lot of the posters who responded so vehemently and insultingly to this thread, obviously had some discussion with him. Since he started the season saying "I want to lead the team in charges taken", and then when he was looking like a scoring star he suddenly, and noticeably, stopped. Or maybe he got dinged up a little bit and came to it on his own. Or maybe it was his agent.

I will take credit though for becoming concerned and pointing it out at the exact same time.

[FriedRise]

He probably stopped because we've been so shorthanded AND the fact that he's nursing that wrist injury. One wrong tumble and you could be out for a while too. Not worth it just to save a couple of points.