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BullChit wrote:My limited knowledge of draft classes and prospects basically come from this forum.

All I want to know is are there any defensive athletic big men in this draft and if so do they fall anywhere near our draft range?

TheSuzerain wrote:

MrSparkle wrote:

TheSuzerain wrote:Knecht is a significantly worse shooting prospect than Doug.

He strikes me as a solid contributor but I don't see the ceiling (unless his shooting explodes somehow).

Significantly worse? That's fairly exaggerated comparing guys who went 2.6/6.5 vs. 2.7/6.1.

Also the college stats skew a whole lot more. 10 years is a quite a lot of time difference, as NCAA and NBA both evolved quite a bit away from classic post play (sagging on 3P defense) and now essentially stress 3P defense more than ever. McDermott put up a lot more volume than that era's average, and was a rather different player (high usage mid/high-post pseudo-PF in college). The way it translates to NBA is somewhat unpredictable. 46% Stauskas was a NBA-nobody while 38% Duncan became a NBA finals starter.

I also think Thibs kinda killed Doug's mojo by icing him too hard. I was pro-Thibs, but I do think his adversity to playing the 3P defensive-sieve wasn't the best decision (Korver included). But one thing that prominently comes to mind, is that Doug seemed completely clueless how to make himself useful off the ball. It seemed like catch-and-shoot/Redick/Korver/Dunleavy style sets were completely foreign to him. I don't get that vibe from Knecht.

But I'm also not rooting for a Knecht pick. I'm not a scout nor an avid college basketball watcher. I hope AK does look at 3P shooting more than he has in his last few drafts, though. Ja'Kobe and Knecht appeal to me more than another Dalen Terry.

Not an exaggeration. Doug was at 45% from 3 for his career and more importantly was at 87% from the line on huge volume as a junior/senior. Bright green shooting profile.

Knecht had zero seasons over 40% (his volume was good though). More worryingly, he's been steady at 77% from the line. Not great for the archetype.

I think he's a good shooting prospect. Doug was a great one (and has proved that out in the NBA).

BullChit wrote:My limited knowledge of draft classes and prospects basically come from this forum.

All I want to know is are there any defensive athletic big men in this draft and if so do they fall anywhere near our draft range?

Dan Z wrote:The NBA Draft Room Mock posted earlier has the Bulls taking Reed Sheppard. I'd be okay with that, but would wonder about his fit on a team with Ayo, Coby, Carter and Zach (but that's something you figure out later).

Jcool0 wrote:

Dan Z wrote:The NBA Draft Room Mock posted earlier has the Bulls taking Reed Sheppard. I'd be okay with that, but would wonder about his fit on a team with Ayo, Coby, Carter and Zach (but that's something you figure out later).

I've mostly seen him going top 7. Would be shocking to see him drop to 11. He is also 6'3" and not a big time athlete. Seems like a better defender version of Coby.

atut55 wrote:Wouldn’t mind Terrence Shannon. Good shooter, above average athlete, and a blur on the fast break.

2weekswithpay wrote:

BullChit wrote:My limited knowledge of draft classes and prospects basically come from this forum.

All I want to know is are there any defensive athletic big men in this draft and if so do they fall anywhere near our draft range?

Yves Missi is the only big that fits the criteria but he has his faults that keep him outside the lottery.

drosestruts wrote:

2weekswithpay wrote:

BullChit wrote:My limited knowledge of draft classes and prospects basically come from this forum.

All I want to know is are there any defensive athletic big men in this draft and if so do they fall anywhere near our draft range?

Yves Missi is the only big that fits the criteria but he has his faults that keep him outside the lottery.

Clingan and Eddey are getting all the hype but I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of years looking back on this draft Missi is the best center.

7-feet tall, 7'6" wingspan. Bouncey, Agile. He's your prototypical rim-running, shot-blocking center.

Think Jalen Duran, Mitchell Robinson, Daniel Gafford.

Muzbar wrote:Actually, do you know who Knecht reminds me of?

Mike Dunleavy Jr., his early years in the league.

sco wrote:Edey gives me Boban vibes. He is big and skilled in the post, but too slow to be a starter.

Clingan is nowhere near as skilled offensively and not as strong, but seems to have the quickness to guard the perimeter. That said, I don't value 1 way C's enough to want to trade up for him.

DuckIII wrote:

sco wrote:Edey gives me Boban vibes. He is big and skilled in the post, but too slow to be a starter.

Boban is just tall. Edey is tall and has a huge frame and far, far superior interior scoring moves with an excellent ability to draw fouls. I don’t want Edey anywhere before late first round at the most because he’ll be a big defensive liability, but I see this Boban comp quite a bit and I don’t think it’s very accurate.

DropStep wrote:

DuckIII wrote:

sco wrote:Edey gives me Boban vibes. He is big and skilled in the post, but too slow to be a starter.

Boban is just tall. Edey is tall and has a huge frame and far, far superior interior scoring moves with an excellent ability to draw fouls. I don’t want Edey anywhere before late first round at the most because he’ll be a big defensive liability, but I see this Boban comp quite a bit and I don’t think it’s very accurate.

Boban isn't just tall, he is an absolute gym rat and has a lot of skills. His career PER is 25.3. Yao's was 23, Porzingis's 20.7, Tacko Fall's 18.8, Shawn Bradley's 16. Boban is also ripped and shoots 5% better than Edey on free throws at 76%. He just can't stay on the floor defensively.

DuckIII wrote:

DropStep wrote:

DuckIII wrote:
Boban is just tall. Edey is tall and has a huge frame and far, far superior interior scoring moves with an excellent ability to draw fouls. I don’t want Edey anywhere before late first round at the most because he’ll be a big defensive liability, but I see this Boban comp quite a bit and I don’t think it’s very accurate.

Boban isn't just tall, he is an absolute gym rat and has a lot of skills. His career PER is 25.3. Yao's was 23, Porzingis's 20.7, Tacko Fall's 18.8, Shawn Bradley's 16. Boban is also ripped and shoots 5% better than Edey on free throws at 76%. He just can't stay on the floor defensively.

Over his career he has taken 3 shots a game and they are almost all within 3 feet of the rim. He’s nowhere near the skilled scorer inside that Edey is and he’s less mobile, which is hard to be. His PER is based on 8 minutes per game and being “ripped” doesn’t matter.

He can pass though.