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JRoy wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:I don't see why the Bulls would want Brogdon. He's old, oft-injured, and the Bulls already have a glut of guards.
The Bulls should be rebuilding, but if they're not going to, the player you'd want from Portland is Grant.
I also have no problem moving Grant but still looking for the same kind of assets.
jnrjr79 wrote:JRoy wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:I don't see why the Bulls would want Brogdon. He's old, oft-injured, and the Bulls already have a glut of guards.
The Bulls should be rebuilding, but if they're not going to, the player you'd want from Portland is Grant.
I also have no problem moving Grant but still looking for the same kind of assets.
Yeah, I don't really see a deal, because there's no way the Bulls would send out any of their good youth (Coby, Ayo) in a Grant deal and Portland would need to take some pretty significant salary. Grant makes so much money that there really isn't a good way to get there without Portland taking LaVine or Vooch, or alternatively doing a S&T for DeRozan, and I doubt Portland has interest in any of that, unless they just want off of Grant's deal earlier and would eat the 2 remaining seasons of Vooch.
JRoy wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:JRoy wrote:
I also have no problem moving Grant but still looking for the same kind of assets.
Yeah, I don't really see a deal, because there's no way the Bulls would send out any of their good youth (Coby, Ayo) in a Grant deal and Portland would need to take some pretty significant salary. Grant makes so much money that there really isn't a good way to get there without Portland taking LaVine or Vooch, or alternatively doing a S&T for DeRozan, and I doubt Portland has interest in any of that, unless they just want off of Grant's deal earlier and would eat the 2 remaining seasons of Vooch.
POR would have to take some salary to move Grant but values him more than a salary dump so looks like there isn’t a deal there that works for both sides.
sco wrote:JRoy wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:
Yeah, I don't really see a deal, because there's no way the Bulls would send out any of their good youth (Coby, Ayo) in a Grant deal and Portland would need to take some pretty significant salary. Grant makes so much money that there really isn't a good way to get there without Portland taking LaVine or Vooch, or alternatively doing a S&T for DeRozan, and I doubt Portland has interest in any of that, unless they just want off of Grant's deal earlier and would eat the 2 remaining seasons of Vooch.
POR would have to take some salary to move Grant but values him more than a salary dump so looks like there isn’t a deal there that works for both sides.
Would you take Vuc and your 1st back and Phillips?
sco wrote:JRoy wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:
Yeah, I don't really see a deal, because there's no way the Bulls would send out any of their good youth (Coby, Ayo) in a Grant deal and Portland would need to take some pretty significant salary. Grant makes so much money that there really isn't a good way to get there without Portland taking LaVine or Vooch, or alternatively doing a S&T for DeRozan, and I doubt Portland has interest in any of that, unless they just want off of Grant's deal earlier and would eat the 2 remaining seasons of Vooch.
POR would have to take some salary to move Grant but values him more than a salary dump so looks like there isn’t a deal there that works for both sides.
Would you take Vuc and your 1st back and Phillips?
jnrjr79 wrote:sco wrote:JRoy wrote:
POR would have to take some salary to move Grant but values him more than a salary dump so looks like there isn’t a deal there that works for both sides.
Would you take Vuc and your 1st back and Phillips?
This sort of thing makes sense to me. I don't really know what purpose Grant serves to Portland and their pick being in limbo year-after-year really limits their flexibility.
I agree w/JRoy that Portland wouldn't do a salary dump, but maybe this is incentive enough.
I don't think the Bulls should be doing this "competitive" plan, but if they are going to, they really need to address PF. I know Grant's more of a tweener at his size, but he'd stretch the floor effectively.
MisterRoy wrote:Muzbar wrote:patryk7754 wrote:I wonder what Markkanen's value is, especially going into his last season. Would the jazz be willing to do Vuc and a couple of 2nds? It would probably take Vuc and at least a lotto protected 1st but idk if I'm willing to do that since we got rid of him in the first place. I'd imagine they'd get better offers. But, if we do manage to pull that off, it would be great to follow that up with signing Nic Claxton (or acquire a similar defensive center)
White
Lavine
Caruso
Markkanen
Claxton
that's a pretty good offensive/defensive mix
The Jazz were looking for multiple FRPs for Lauri at the deadline, this is Danny Ainge you'd be dealing with, he won't change that stance.
The Lauri ship has sailed.
Just to add…AKME traded him away. Getting him back would be an admission of error and I don’t see them doing that at all. Ever.
Sent from somewhere you’ve never been.
While the Atlanta Hawks are focused on trying to pass the Chicago Bulls for the No. 9 seed in the Eastern Conference to host a play-in tournament game, the future of their backcourt duo is uncertain.
According to NBA insider Marc Stein, the Hawks are "likely" to trade either Trae Young or Dejounte Murray this offseason.
There have been rumblings that either Young or Murray will be dealt during the offseason for months.
Stein reported in February that one person acquainted with Atlanta's dynamics said the team knows it has "to trade one or the other."
kodo wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10116106-nba-rumors-trae-young-or-dejounte-murray-likely-to-be-traded-by-hawks-in-offseasonWhile the Atlanta Hawks are focused on trying to pass the Chicago Bulls for the No. 9 seed in the Eastern Conference to host a play-in tournament game, the future of their backcourt duo is uncertain.
According to NBA insider Marc Stein, the Hawks are "likely" to trade either Trae Young or Dejounte Murray this offseason.
There have been rumblings that either Young or Murray will be dealt during the offseason for months.
Stein reported in February that one person acquainted with Atlanta's dynamics said the team knows it has "to trade one or the other."
JRoy wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:sco wrote:Would you take Vuc and your 1st back and Phillips?
This sort of thing makes sense to me. I don't really know what purpose Grant serves to Portland and their pick being in limbo year-after-year really limits their flexibility.
I agree w/JRoy that Portland wouldn't do a salary dump, but maybe this is incentive enough.
I don't think the Bulls should be doing this "competitive" plan, but if they are going to, they really need to address PF. I know Grant's more of a tweener at his size, but he'd stretch the floor effectively.
Agreed on all counts. CHI needs to commit to a rebuild.
Come on in, the tank is fine.
drosestruts wrote:JRoy wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:
This sort of thing makes sense to me. I don't really know what purpose Grant serves to Portland and their pick being in limbo year-after-year really limits their flexibility.
I agree w/JRoy that Portland wouldn't do a salary dump, but maybe this is incentive enough.
I don't think the Bulls should be doing this "competitive" plan, but if they are going to, they really need to address PF. I know Grant's more of a tweener at his size, but he'd stretch the floor effectively.
Agreed on all counts. CHI needs to commit to a rebuild.
Come on in, the tank is fine.
Fully commit to the rebuild and give us Brogdon, Grant, and Time Lord.
League Circles wrote:Any chance we could send Vuc back to Orlando along with Caruso for Jonathan Isaac and one of Moritz Wagner, Joe Ingles or Cole Anthony?
sco wrote:League Circles wrote:Any chance we could send Vuc back to Orlando along with Caruso for Jonathan Isaac and one of Moritz Wagner, Joe Ingles or Cole Anthony?
Nobody likes Vuc less than me, but I'd rather just keep him and trade Caruso rather than taking that stuff back. Isaac fits nicely between Lavine and Ball...in terms of durability.
League Circles wrote:sco wrote:League Circles wrote:Any chance we could send Vuc back to Orlando along with Caruso for Jonathan Isaac and one of Moritz Wagner, Joe Ingles or Cole Anthony?
Nobody likes Vuc less than me, but I'd rather just keep him and trade Caruso rather than taking that stuff back. Isaac fits nicely between Lavine and Ball...in terms of durability.
There are big cap savings for us in this potential move. If it works out on the court that would just be a bonus, but it's not the primary reason for it. Issac expires after next season when Coby and Ayo are still cheap. Ingles and Wagner are on team options for the following season. Anthony has 2 guaranteed years left like Vuc but at a lower rate. Maybe I'd only do it for Isaac and either Wagner or Ingles.
sco wrote:League Circles wrote:sco wrote:Nobody likes Vuc less than me, but I'd rather just keep him and trade Caruso rather than taking that stuff back. Isaac fits nicely between Lavine and Ball...in terms of durability.
There are big cap savings for us in this potential move. If it works out on the court that would just be a bonus, but it's not the primary reason for it. Issac expires after next season when Coby and Ayo are still cheap. Ingles and Wagner are on team options for the following season. Anthony has 2 guaranteed years left like Vuc but at a lower rate. Maybe I'd only do it for Isaac and either Wagner or Ingles.
I see the value of the deal in a reboot, but other than that, cap space isn't likely to help much. We can probably get rid of Vuc for a lower "cost" after next season.