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GoBlue72391 wrote:

drosestruts wrote:

jacoby1us wrote:This guy should have stayed in college, he is years away from even being a worthy G-Leaguer.

But now he can develop (in theory) while getting money. This wasn't an option in college.

Also, based on his play, had he stayed in college he probably never gets drafted. Which isn't great for Dalen Terry

NIL says hi.

drosestruts wrote:

GoBlue72391 wrote:

drosestruts wrote:
But now he can develop (in theory) while getting money. This wasn't an option in college.

Also, based on his play, had he stayed in college he probably never gets drafted. Which isn't great for Dalen Terry

NIL says hi.

You think Dalen Terry would be making $3m+ a year in NIL money in college? I didn't even know who Dalen Terry was when we drafted him.

GoBlue72391 wrote:

drosestruts wrote:

GoBlue72391 wrote:NIL says hi.

You think Dalen Terry would be making $3m+ a year in NIL money in college? I didn't even know who Dalen Terry was when we drafted him.

That wasn't the argument, you're changing it.

drosestruts wrote:

GoBlue72391 wrote:

drosestruts wrote:
You think Dalen Terry would be making $3m+ a year in NIL money in college? I didn't even know who Dalen Terry was when we drafted him.

That wasn't the argument, you're changing it.

There was no argument until you jumped in picking at semantics, splitting hairs, and trying to create one.

Everyone else agrees going to the NBA is and was the best move for Dalen.

GoBlue72391 wrote:

drosestruts wrote:

GoBlue72391 wrote:NIL says hi.

You think Dalen Terry would be making $3m+ a year in NIL money in college? I didn't even know who Dalen Terry was when we drafted him.

That wasn't the argument, you're changing it.

GoBlue72391 wrote:If he stayed in school he would likely have become more developed and less raw.

sco wrote:

dougthonus wrote:

League Circles wrote:I actually think picking up this scrub's option is the most egregious move AK has made. Not the most damaging, but the most egregious.

Nothing can be more egregious than the Vuc trade.

It showed a complete misunderstanding of so many things:
1: Player evaluation - Drastically overvalued a player that had never been on a team that won more than 42 games in a decade, had below league average efficiency as a one way offensive only player, can't fit into any reasonable defensive scheme without causing significant problems, looked at a three month sample size of shooting out of 10 years and decided that three months was his true skill rather than an anomaly. It was like they were using 1980s level analysis to figure out if he's a good player.

2: Showed a lack of understanding of trade assets - Moved two lottery picks for him, a starting caliber player and took back bad salary. The price paid was obviously too high even if you misevaluated Vuc and thought he was much better.

4: Showed a lack of understanding of how trades work - You can't trade your way from a low 30s team to a good team because especially with a short timeline. That is fundamentally based on the thought that you are screwing over all the other teams in trades and are much smarter than them.

5: Showed a lack of understanding of context - Using all your assets to build a short timeline team makes no sense when your upside looks like 1st round after the moves.

6: Showed a lack of understanding of roster construction - Trying to put a no defense ball dominant center next to your no defense ball dominant guard was setting the stage for a lot of the problems we have today and further moves compounded them

It's hard to imagine making a move that shows just how incompetent you are on so many levels all at once.

In comparison, picking up Dalen Terry's option probably shows the following:
1: Sunk cost mentality - too scared to look bad by declining the option

2: Poor player evaluation - there is 0% chance Dalen Terry is going to come back and haunt you

Ignoring the impact of the moves (Vuc was obviously also much greater), the Vuc move appeased a fan base desperate for a big move, but was a poorly thought out, unmitigated disaster that was obviously going to create a disaster at the moment it was made.

with Ball being figuratively castrated

Guru wrote:There are so many people very loudly wrong on this board.

mlitney01 wrote:

Guru wrote:There are so many people very loudly wrong on this board.

I don't think there are. Terry has not been remotely good since we've drafted him. I'm the eternal optimist and I still don't see it with him. I've big a huge supporter of Coby, PWill, and Vuc because I think they complement each other and we've seen flashes of them. I just haven't seen any legit flashes from Terry yet.

I hope he's the next Pippen, but you have to show it on the court.

mlitney01 wrote:

Guru wrote:There are so many people very loudly wrong on this board.

I don't think there are. Terry has not been remotely good since we've drafted him. I'm the eternal optimist and I still don't see it with him. I've big a huge supporter of Coby, PWill, and Vuc because I think they complement each other and we've seen flashes of them. I just haven't seen any legit flashes from Terry yet.

I hope he's the next Pippen, but you have to show it on the court.

Guru wrote:

mlitney01 wrote:

Guru wrote:There are so many people very loudly wrong on this board.

I don't think there are. Terry has not been remotely good since we've drafted him. I'm the eternal optimist and I still don't see it with him. I've big a huge supporter of Coby, PWill, and Vuc because I think they complement each other and we've seen flashes of them. I just haven't seen any legit flashes from Terry yet.

I hope he's the next Pippen, but you have to show it on the court.

But he doesn't need to be the next Pippen to have worth. He can be a backup 2-3 who plays 20 minutes, runs from rim to rim, can aptly peskily guard the other teams 1-3 in a manner that keeps them from having success.

If he develops a shot, great, if he gets smarter with his movement on offense, great. That part of his game should come around. I assume the offensive spacing part will come first. He will start backdoor cutting and getting lots more rebounds and easy buckets. That will come with just minutes played.

You don't need to fill up a stat sheet to be a contributor.

mlitney01 wrote:

Guru wrote:

mlitney01 wrote:
I don't think there are. Terry has not been remotely good since we've drafted him. I'm the eternal optimist and I still don't see it with him. I've big a huge supporter of Coby, PWill, and Vuc because I think they complement each other and we've seen flashes of them. I just haven't seen any legit flashes from Terry yet.

I hope he's the next Pippen, but you have to show it on the court.

But he doesn't need to be the next Pippen to have worth. He can be a backup 2-3 who plays 20 minutes, runs from rim to rim, can aptly peskily guard the other teams 1-3 in a manner that keeps them from having success.

If he develops a shot, great, if he gets smarter with his movement on offense, great. That part of his game should come around. I assume the offensive spacing part will come first. He will start backdoor cutting and getting lots more rebounds and easy buckets. That will come with just minutes played.

You don't need to fill up a stat sheet to be a contributor.

That's all very true. We just haven't seen it yet, which was my point. I like the kid and hope he can develop a shot and get smarter with movement, and all the other things. More rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, etc. It's a lot to ask from someone that raw. Do you give him a 2nd contract right now?

burlydee wrote:This board is always like is Coby an NBA level player? Than he becomes one. Is Pat Will? Becomes one. Ayo? Becomes one. Markannen? Carter? How many times can this board be wrong on a young player?