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Alex Caruso: Do you want too keep him or trade him for a good return?

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Post#61 » by MikeDC » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:33 pm

I'd be looking at 3-4 teams for Caruso, and they're all obvious fits for him and have lots of young guys we'd be interested in having back.

1. Sixers. Paul Reed + Picks. This seems like the most obvious deal by far. He'd fit in great there. For us, Reed would be a great get. He's kind of like a younger, bigger but less shooty version of Caruso.
2. Thunder. Giddy/Jaylin Williams? Picks? I agree that they have less obvious desire with Dort and Wallace, but he's still be helpful.
3. Magic. Maybe they're a year away, but if they'd give up, like Black and Bitadze, I'd be down for that.
4. Celtics. They have several picks. Players are less good from them, but I'd probably live with it.
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Post#62 » by Andi Obst » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:57 pm

Chi town wrote:Only was Caruso goes is if we go full rebuild.


True. That's why I don't even view it as a possibility. AC is staying.
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Post#63 » by Chi town » Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:24 pm

MikeDC wrote:I'd be looking at 3-4 teams for Caruso, and they're all obvious fits for him and have lots of young guys we'd be interested in having back.

1. Sixers. Paul Reed + Picks. This seems like the most obvious deal by far. He'd fit in great there. For us, Reed would be a great get. He's kind of like a younger, bigger but less shooty version of Caruso.
2. Thunder. Giddy/Jaylin Williams? Picks? I agree that they have less obvious desire with Dort and Wallace, but he's still be helpful.
3. Magic. Maybe they're a year away, but if they'd give up, like Black and Bitadze, I'd be down for that.
4. Celtics. They have several picks. Players are less good from them, but I'd probably live with it.


Sixers would need Drummond back. That trade doesn’t make us better. I’d do DDR for Reed and a 1st though. AK wouldn’t.

Giddy is untradable with his sex scandal still out there. OKC is a good trading partner and I think they need Caruso to make a real run.

Black and Bit. Hmmm. No way Magic trades a #6 pick for Caruso. I do like Black but don’t trust his shot developing.

Nah yo Celtics. AK will need a helpful player not just late 1sts.

I like Caruso in HOU for Whitmore or Eason.
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Post#64 » by Wingy » Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:35 pm

Chi town wrote:
MikeDC wrote:I'd be looking at 3-4 teams for Caruso, and they're all obvious fits for him and have lots of young guys we'd be interested in having back.

1. Sixers. Paul Reed + Picks. This seems like the most obvious deal by far. He'd fit in great there. For us, Reed would be a great get. He's kind of like a younger, bigger but less shooty version of Caruso.
2. Thunder. Giddy/Jaylin Williams? Picks? I agree that they have less obvious desire with Dort and Wallace, but he's still be helpful.
3. Magic. Maybe they're a year away, but if they'd give up, like Black and Bitadze, I'd be down for that.
4. Celtics. They have several picks. Players are less good from them, but I'd probably live with it.


Sixers would need Drummond back. That trade doesn’t make us better. I’d do DDR for Reed and a 1st though. AK wouldn’t.

Giddy is untradable with his sex scandal still out there. OKC is a good trading partner and I think they need Caruso to make a real run.

Black and Bit. Hmmm. No way Magic trades a #6 pick for Caruso. I do like Black but don’t trust his shot developing.

Nah yo Celtics. AK will need a helpful player not just late 1sts.

I like Caruso in HOU for Whitmore or Eason.


Reed plus picks would be nice, plus non guaranteed his last 2 years which adds value.

OKC could use a guy like AC. I don’t think the Dort/Wallace angle’s a great one. You’re going to face great wings and perimeter players in the playoffs. You need depth.

We’ve seen a league MVP get quick whistled out of a game early (ECF, Rose game 2 vs Heat…perhaps not the outcome, but definitely altered that series)…so why can’t that happen to a rookie Cason Wallace? Then you what, put that defensive assignment on SGA’s back too?

The Magic feel like they’re stalling out. Seems like we could be partners again for AC, or Zach.

Bet the Celtics would do backflips to get AC. Unfortunately for them, they can’t match salary. It would take a 5 for 1. I guess we could just waive a bunch of guys? Not sure how that would impact the cap.
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Post#65 » by MikeDC » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:01 pm

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Chi town wrote:
MikeDC wrote:I'd be looking at 3-4 teams for Caruso, and they're all obvious fits for him and have lots of young guys we'd be interested in having back.

1. Sixers. Paul Reed + Picks. This seems like the most obvious deal by far. He'd fit in great there. For us, Reed would be a great get. He's kind of like a younger, bigger but less shooty version of Caruso.
2. Thunder. Giddy/Jaylin Williams? Picks? I agree that they have less obvious desire with Dort and Wallace, but he's still be helpful.
3. Magic. Maybe they're a year away, but if they'd give up, like Black and Bitadze, I'd be down for that.
4. Celtics. They have several picks. Players are less good from them, but I'd probably live with it.


Sixers would need Drummond back. That trade doesn’t make us better. I’d do DDR for Reed and a 1st though. AK wouldn’t.

Giddy is untradable with his sex scandal still out there. OKC is a good trading partner and I think they need Caruso to make a real run.

Black and Bit. Hmmm. No way Magic trades a #6 pick for Caruso. I do like Black but don’t trust his shot developing.

Nah yo Celtics. AK will need a helpful player not just late 1sts.

I like Caruso in HOU for Whitmore or Eason.


Reed plus picks would be nice, plus non guaranteed his last 2 years which adds value.

OKC could use a guy like AC. I don’t think the Dort/Wallace angle’s a great one. You’re going to face great wings and perimeter players in the playoffs. You need depth.

We’ve seen a league MVP get quick whistled out of a game early (ECF, Rose game 2 vs Heat…perhaps not the outcome, but definitely altered that series)…so why can’t that happen to a rookie Cason Wallace? Then you what, put that defensive assignment on SGA’s back too?


I think the question for OKC is just whether that's the move they want to make, or whether they'd rather wait another year (because in their case they can afford to) and take a swing on guy that addresses their weaknesses more directly. Like, if there's any truth to Lauri being available, OKC with Lauri would be ridiculous.

The Magic feel like they’re stalling out. Seems like we could be partners again for AC, or Zach.


I've pointed it out before, but there's NO CHANCE they trade for Zach. He'll be making @$50M when they new contracts for Suggs/Franz/Banchero kick in. That's an absolute non starter.

I could see them having short term interest in DeMar. He'd actually be a kind of interesting fit to give them a playoff boost at not a huge cost. ... Not a Caruso trade, but how about Fultz, Issac, Bitadze, Howard for DeMar, Carter, Drummond, Taylor?

Bet the Celtics would do backflips to get AC. Unfortunately for them, they can’t match salary. It would take a 5 for 1. I guess we could just waive a bunch of guys? Not sure how that would impact the cap.


Celtics match with Pritchard mostly. 4 for 4 trade of:
Caruso, Craig, Taylor, Phillips for Pritchard, Brissett, Svi, Banton works. Obviously the Celtics have to add in picks
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Post#66 » by Ctownbulls » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:08 pm

I want to extract as much value for our assets as possible but I do think Caruso will be more valuable here than late FRPs down the road. I would like to keep him as a culture builder and as one of the higher IQ players in the league and definitely the highest on the team.
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Post#67 » by madvillian » Wed Jan 17, 2024 6:29 pm

Ctownbulls wrote:I want to extract as much value for our assets as possible but I do think Caruso will be more valuable here than late FRPs down the road. I would like to keep him as a culture builder and as one of the higher IQ players in the league and definitely the highest on the team.


Sounds good but he doesn't fit our roster and is a ticking time bomb injury wise. He's also on a value contract that will never have more value than the present.

He should go to a contender where he can do his 25 minute a game tornado act and not have to worry about offense so much. We'll take the draft assets coming back and everybody wins.
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Post#68 » by Ctownbulls » Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:18 pm

madvillian wrote:
Ctownbulls wrote:I want to extract as much value for our assets as possible but I do think Caruso will be more valuable here than late FRPs down the road. I would like to keep him as a culture builder and as one of the higher IQ players in the league and definitely the highest on the team.


Sounds good but he doesn't fit our roster and is a ticking time bomb injury wise. He's also on a value contract that will never have more value than the present.

He should go to a contender where he can do his 25 minute a game tornado act and not have to worry about offense so much. We'll take the draft assets coming back and everybody wins.


What do you mean by doesn't fit the roster? I think he fits every roster in the NBA. He may not fit the timeline that the fans want for this team but he fits the timeline that ownership has always had for this team which is to always try and compete. If they are actually going to blow it all up then yes, trade him. I don't see them ever doing it.
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Post#69 » by madvillian » Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:55 pm

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Ctownbulls wrote:I want to extract as much value for our assets as possible but I do think Caruso will be more valuable here than late FRPs down the road. I would like to keep him as a culture builder and as one of the higher IQ players in the league and definitely the highest on the team.


Sounds good but he doesn't fit our roster and is a ticking time bomb injury wise. He's also on a value contract that will never have more value than the present.

He should go to a contender where he can do his 25 minute a game tornado act and not have to worry about offense so much. We'll take the draft assets coming back and everybody wins.


What do you mean by doesn't fit the roster? I think he fits every roster in the NBA. He may not fit the timeline that the fans want for this team but he fits the timeline that ownership has always had for this team which is to always try and compete. If they are actually going to blow it all up then yes, trade him. I don't see them ever doing it.


In soccer you'd call him a "luxury player". There's not a precise definition but it's basically a player that if you've got championship aspirations you'd love to have as an offensive specialist off the bench when you need a spark, but otherwise is a bit too one sided to be a regular starter. AC is that defensive luxury player, but on our non contending roster, he's a luxury we really don't need when we've got other bills to pay.

If we were a contender and he was our 7th man, hell yea. But we're not. He's not going to be the difference between even the 5 seed or a play in, so yea. I'd look to move him.
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Post#70 » by Clint Eastwood » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:59 pm

Giddey case was dropped. If we could get Giddey in a deal for caruso in any way shape or form it would be a tremendous win. I dont think there is any chance in hell they trade Giddey.
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Post#71 » by Chi town » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:07 am

Clint Eastwood wrote:Giddey case was dropped. If we could get Giddey in a deal for caruso in any way shape or form it would be a tremendous win. I dont think there is any chance in hell they trade Giddey.


I do.

In fact I will be surprised if he’s not traded.

Giddey hasn’t progressed but that could be due to OKC construct. I do think he’d make Coby even better off ball and help Pat develop.

I’d want Giddey and Dieng.
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Post#72 » by Clint Eastwood » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:13 am

Chi town wrote:
Clint Eastwood wrote:Giddey case was dropped. If we could get Giddey in a deal for caruso in any way shape or form it would be a tremendous win. I dont think there is any chance in hell they trade Giddey.


I do.

In fact I will be surprised if he’s not traded.

Giddey hasn’t progressed but that could be due to OKC construct. I do think he’d make Coby even better off ball and help Pat develop.

I’d want Giddey and Dieng.

He is starting for one of the best teams in the league as a super young player who was the 6th pick in the draft only 2 years ago. He is very big and gives them insurance for any injury to their top player. He is a great rebounder and passer and improving as a 3 pt shooter. I would trade anyone on the team for him with the possible exception of Coby white. He has star potential still. I would trade caruso, the portland pick and any future pick required to get an infusion of a unique talent like Giddey. This is exactly why it has no chance of happening.
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Post#73 » by Clint Eastwood » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:23 am

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ysyp8z3u

Ok, here is my best offer to OKC that might make some sense for them actually

Giddey and Bertans for Caruso, Drummond and Pat Williams.

They get off Bertans terrible deal, get a backup center which they don’t have anyone with that kind of size, and they get a look at williams. For us, we get a young stud with star upside. We lose drummond, but he is only ours for 1 year and we are going nowhere. We lose williams but then don’t have to worry about paying him this offseason anyway and his salary helps match the bertans crap deal.

Then we go and try to convert Derozan into a real power forward, who knows who, but someone in the mold of Deni, or kuzma, or PJ washington. I think lavine would be a good fit next to giddey and coby. I would have to figure out the derozan move but lets say somehow we get PJ and hayward for derozan maybe in a 3 way deal. Then we run a lineup for now of:

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Lavine/Heyward
Coby
Giddey

Bad defense yes, but our future core would be Coby, Giddey, Lavine. We can try to move lavine in the offseason for a better overall fit.
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Post#74 » by Repeat 3-peat » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:49 am

His value will be the same as next year even when his contract is expiring. Late first+two future 2nds from a contending team.

I expect we'll hear extension talks during the summer, unless they decide to blow it up for the very talented 2025 draft.
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Post#75 » by Wingy » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:54 am

Repeat 3-peat wrote:His value will be the same as next year even when his contract is expiring. Late first+two future 2nds from a contending team.

I expect we'll hear extension talks during the summer, unless they decide to blow it up for the very talented 2025 draft.


Nah. 2 playoff runs are better than 1.
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Post#76 » by PJSteven22 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:53 am

Clint Eastwood wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ysyp8z3u

Ok, here is my best offer to OKC that might make some sense for them actually

Giddey and Bertans for Caruso, Drummond and Pat Williams.

They get off Bertans terrible deal, get a backup center which they don’t have anyone with that kind of size, and they get a look at williams. For us, we get a young stud with star upside. We lose drummond, but he is only ours for 1 year and we are going nowhere. We lose williams but then don’t have to worry about paying him this offseason anyway and his salary helps match the bertans crap deal.

Then we go and try to convert Derozan into a real power forward, who knows who, but someone in the mold of Deni, or kuzma, or PJ washington. I think lavine would be a good fit next to giddey and coby. I would have to figure out the derozan move but lets say somehow we get PJ and hayward for derozan maybe in a 3 way deal. Then we run a lineup for now of:

Vuc
PJ Washington/Heyward
Lavine/Heyward
Coby
Giddey

Bad defense yes, but our future core would be Coby, Giddey, Lavine. We can try to move lavine in the offseason for a better overall fit.

I’ll pass. You have no one to defend big wings or guards for that matter.
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Post#77 » by Clint Eastwood » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:40 pm

PJSteven22 wrote:
Clint Eastwood wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ysyp8z3u

Ok, here is my best offer to OKC that might make some sense for them actually

Giddey and Bertans for Caruso, Drummond and Pat Williams.

They get off Bertans terrible deal, get a backup center which they don’t have anyone with that kind of size, and they get a look at williams. For us, we get a young stud with star upside. We lose drummond, but he is only ours for 1 year and we are going nowhere. We lose williams but then don’t have to worry about paying him this offseason anyway and his salary helps match the bertans crap deal.

Then we go and try to convert Derozan into a real power forward, who knows who, but someone in the mold of Deni, or kuzma, or PJ washington. I think lavine would be a good fit next to giddey and coby. I would have to figure out the derozan move but lets say somehow we get PJ and hayward for derozan maybe in a 3 way deal. Then we run a lineup for now of:

Vuc
PJ Washington/Heyward
Lavine/Heyward
Coby
Giddey

Bad defense yes, but our future core would be Coby, Giddey, Lavine. We can try to move lavine in the offseason for a better overall fit.

I’ll pass. You have no one to defend big wings or guards for that matter.

Our team as constructed is going nowhere. My trade isnt giving us a completed team. We are still moving lavine in offseason and will draft wings. But we need an infusion of young talent with upside. That is Giddey.
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Post#78 » by sco » Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:39 pm

Clint Eastwood wrote:
PJSteven22 wrote:
Clint Eastwood wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ysyp8z3u

Ok, here is my best offer to OKC that might make some sense for them actually

Giddey and Bertans for Caruso, Drummond and Pat Williams.

They get off Bertans terrible deal, get a backup center which they don’t have anyone with that kind of size, and they get a look at williams. For us, we get a young stud with star upside. We lose drummond, but he is only ours for 1 year and we are going nowhere. We lose williams but then don’t have to worry about paying him this offseason anyway and his salary helps match the bertans crap deal.

Then we go and try to convert Derozan into a real power forward, who knows who, but someone in the mold of Deni, or kuzma, or PJ washington. I think lavine would be a good fit next to giddey and coby. I would have to figure out the derozan move but lets say somehow we get PJ and hayward for derozan maybe in a 3 way deal. Then we run a lineup for now of:

Vuc
PJ Washington/Heyward
Lavine/Heyward
Coby
Giddey

Bad defense yes, but our future core would be Coby, Giddey, Lavine. We can try to move lavine in the offseason for a better overall fit.

I’ll pass. You have no one to defend big wings or guards for that matter.

Our team as constructed is going nowhere. My trade isnt giving us a completed team. We are still moving lavine in offseason and will draft wings. But we need an infusion of young talent with upside. That is Giddey.

Adding Giddey would be good, but we should get more if we are adding Pat. Pass.
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Post#79 » by Clint Eastwood » Thu Jan 18, 2024 2:46 pm

sco wrote:
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PJSteven22 wrote:I’ll pass. You have no one to defend big wings or guards for that matter.

Our team as constructed is going nowhere. My trade isnt giving us a completed team. We are still moving lavine in offseason and will draft wings. But we need an infusion of young talent with upside. That is Giddey.

Adding Giddey would be good, but we should get more if we are adding Pat. Pass.

Idk, it would save us from paying for pat. After we pay him, we will be locked in to continuing to develop him. Im not sure he ever will be a primary player on a consistently good team. But i hear you. I just think it will take a lot more than caruso to get a player of giddy’s upside and age.
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Post#80 » by cubd8 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:02 pm

I guess I don't understand why we would keep a losing team intact. Caruso is a good glue player, but the team will continue to be mediocre with or without him.

I would trade anyone who we could unload.

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