Bears 2024 #1. Bears fighting to not be themselves anymore

Post #1 » by **fleet** » Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:54 pm

TheJordanRule · Post #2 » by **TheJordanRule** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:03 am

This is why I don't trust picking Caleb. The most Bears thing ever would be choosing the most high upside, volatile option only to find out we shipped Justin out for a Mitch or Jay clone. Fields has an established floor and upside along with that. Caleb's upside would have to be projected into this league, and most GMs struggle with that-- historically a bust rate of over 50 % for QBs drafted in Round 1 in the NFL.

Post #3 » by **fleet** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:11 am

TheJordanRule wrote:This is why I don't trust picking Caleb. The most Bears thing ever would be choosing the most high upside, volatile option only to find out with shipped Justin out for a Mitch or Jay clone. Fields has an established floor and upside along with that. Caleb's upside would have to be projected into this league, and most GMs struggle with that-- historically a bust rate of over 50 % for QBs drafted in Round 1 in the NFL.

Brad Biggs wrote:Fields was in the bottom third of the league in too many key statistical metrics for the Bears to commit to the idea of trading down from the first pick for a bundle of future assets and then building around him.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #4 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:14 am

TheJordanRule wrote:This is why I don't trust picking Caleb. The most Bears thing ever would be choosing the most high upside, volatile option only to find out we shipped Justin out for a Mitch or Jay clone. Fields has an established floor and upside along with that. Caleb's upside would have to be projected into this league, and most GMs struggle with that-- historically a bust rate of over 50 % for QBs drafted in Round 1 in the NFL.

Where’s this established floor? The subterranean society that the super rich have built for the end of the world? And what’s his upside considering he’s never been average for a season.

CjayC · Post #5 » by **CjayC** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:16 am

_txchilibowl_ · Post #6 » by **_txchilibowl_** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:18 am

TheJordanRule wrote:This is why I don't trust picking Caleb. The most Bears thing ever would be choosing the most high upside, volatile option only to find out we shipped Justin out for a Mitch or Jay clone. Fields has an established floor and upside along with that. Caleb's upside would have to be projected into this league, and most GMs struggle with that-- historically a bust rate of over 50 % for QBs drafted in Round 1 in the NFL.

Justin Fields' mediocre quarterbacking is the most Bears thing ever. Aim high people!

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #7 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:24 am

_txchilibowl_ wrote:
TheJordanRule wrote:This is why I don't trust picking Caleb. The most Bears thing ever would be choosing the most high upside, volatile option only to find out we shipped Justin out for a Mitch or Jay clone. Fields has an established floor and upside along with that. Caleb's upside would have to be projected into this league, and most GMs struggle with that-- historically a bust rate of over 50 % for QBs drafted in Round 1 in the NFL.

Justin Fields' mediocre quarterbacking is the most Bears thing ever. Aim high people!

If he was mediocre we would’ve won 12 games.

Bullflip · Post #8 » by **Bullflip** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:41 am

TheJordanRule wrote:This is why I don't trust picking Caleb. The most Bears thing ever would be choosing the most high upside, volatile option only to find out we shipped Justin out for a Mitch or Jay clone. Fields has an established floor and upside along with that. Caleb's upside would have to be projected into this league, and most GMs struggle with that-- historically a bust rate of over 50 % for QBs drafted in Round 1 in the NFL.

Have you seen Justin’s 4th quarter statistics? You can’t get lower than that

Post #9 » by **fleet** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:44 am

For those that missed Boomer. Between he and Spielman, they said some stuff.

Watch on YouTube

El Ridda · Post #10 » by **El Ridda** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:46 am

One misnomer in this discussion is that Fields will either keep improving next year, or at the very worst, stay at the same level he was at this past year. This POV discounts the possibility him regressing.

There are so many examples of young QBs showing potential and then regressing early in their career. Here are a few: Mac Jones (strong rookie year and then regression the last 2 seasons), Mitch (regressed in year 3), Mayfield (regressed in year 4), Mariota (regressed in year 3). There are many others.

I'm not saying this will happen to Fields, but it is certainly a realistic possibility that needs to be factored into the decision to keep him or move on.

NecessaryEvil · Post #11 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:00 am

Read on Twitter

TheSuzerain · Post #12 » by **TheSuzerain** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:10 am

Letting former players have podcasts was a mistake

Jcool0 · Post #13 » by **Jcool0** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:24 am

Read on Twitter

NecessaryEvil · Post #14 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:30 am

Anybody worried Caleb tells Poles he doesn’t want to play in Chicago?

jordanwilliams6 · Post #15 » by **jordanwilliams6** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:34 am

NecessaryEvil wrote:Anybody worried Caleb tells Poles he doesn’t want to play in Chicago?

Not really. If that's what he ends up doing then why do we want someone of that character on the team? He would be doing us a favour and showing his true colours before we select him.

Williams is shaping up to be a potential unlikeable guy. Fields on the other hand is very likeable and easy to get behind. Obviously winning football games in the first priority but it's always significant better to have success on players who actually like.

panthermark · Post #16 » by **panthermark** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:39 am

I'm not really mad at the prospect of drafting CW. I see a ton of merit to it. My biggest problem with it (QB bust risk and not knowing his personality) is that if we were going to do that, we probably should have let Flus go.

Now we are already half-in/half-out, which is the most Chicago Bear way to do things.

Because of that, I'm leaning towards building out the rest of the team to the point where a 7th round draft pick, or even a 2nd year UFA could guide it to the play-offs at QB. That means a big, talented WR to play Z and upgrades to the O-line. That means a top 5 Defense (add an Edge and S...which is why I would love getting Bates).

Will look into Free Agency for a upgrade for a starting C (could draft one to groom in later rounds).

Might use a 2nd round pick (via trade) on a RB We kinda screwed the pooch at that position. There are some good FA backs, but they will cost big money. Swift made the Pro-Bowl with Philly, so that is a nope.

Adding a future first another future 2nd down the road helps to keep the talent pipeline flowing, because at that point, it is about maintaining/reloading vs building.

On the flip side, there is really nothing wrong with going CW + WR or Edge + S or RB. You may just have to spend more in FA. I would not want to be in a position to put a rookie QB with a rookie WR with a rookie C and possibly a rookie RB. That is the type of line-up that we should have ran this past season, and not used draft capital for ready to win now players like Moore and Sweat (future picks would have been better IMO). Then again, look at Houston, so who knows....

_txchilibowl_ · Post #17 » by **_txchilibowl_** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:39 am

jordanwilliams6 wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:Anybody worried Caleb tells Poles he doesn’t want to play in Chicago?

Not really. If that's what he ends up doing then why do we want someone of that character on the team? He would be doing us a favour and showing his true colours before we select him.

Williams is shaping up to be a potential unlikeable guy. Fields on the other hand is very likeable and easy to get behind. Obviously winning football games in the first priority but it's always significant better to have success on players who actually like.

What's unlikable about Williams?

jordanwilliams6 · Post #18 » by **jordanwilliams6** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:59 am

_txchilibowl_ wrote:
jordanwilliams6 wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:Anybody worried Caleb tells Poles he doesn’t want to play in Chicago?

Not really. If that's what he ends up doing then why do we want someone of that character on the team? He would be doing us a favour and showing his true colours before we select him.

Williams is shaping up to be a potential unlikeable guy. Fields on the other hand is very likeable and easy to get behind. Obviously winning football games in the first priority but it's always significant better to have success on players who actually like.

What's unlikable about Williams?

I didn't say he is unlikeable but certainly has the potential to head down that path. There were rumours that he wanted a partial ownership stake in whatever team drafted him. The concerns may not eventuate but I think there's a little bit there to suggest he may have a 'diva' personality,

patryk7754 · Post #19 » by **patryk7754** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:01 am

Klint Kubiak is my 1a/1b option for OC, along with Brian Griese. He’s probably a better option because I think he was more involved in play calling while still being involved in the QB development process

Dresden · Post #20 » by **Dresden** » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:06 am

fleet wrote:For those that missed Boomer. Between he and Spielman, they said some stuff.

Watch on YouTube

"there were can't miss players in the past coming out, and everybody saw that, and everybody knew that"...."and he's in that stratosphere".

You can say this is all "hype", but maybe it's true? Maybe people like Boomer Esiason, a guy who knows a thing or two about what it takes to play QB in the NFL, see traits or qualities in this kid that indeed are rare and of the kind that only come around once every 5-10 years. How stupid would the Bears be if they just walked away from a player like that because "it's all just hype"???

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