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Choose the quarterback

Caleb Williams
47
71%
Jayden Daniels
1
2%
Drake Maye
2
3%
Justin Fields
13
20%
Michael Penix
2
3%
Other
1
2%
 
Total votes: 66

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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1941 » by Dresden » Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:00 pm

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Justin having probably his best passing game against Atlanta and then possibly getting traded there would be so ironic lol


That was fun to watch. You can see why some teams might see the potential of him becoming their franchise QB. Unfortunately, you could also put together a tape of all the not-so-great moments he's had too.
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1942 » by othawhitemeat » Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:23 pm

[quote="fleet"]Some light smoke around the socials about the Giants having made an offer for Fields.

Awkward[/quote]

Just need one team to make a strong offer for Fields - did it say offer?
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1943 » by 1985Bear » Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:23 pm

Dresden wrote:
biggestbullsfan wrote:
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Justin having probably his best passing game against Atlanta and then possibly getting traded there would be so ironic lol


That was fun to watch. You can see why some teams might see the potential of him becoming their franchise QB. Unfortunately, you could also put together a tape of all the not-so-great moments he's had too.

Highlights tell half the story. Atlanta game is considered JF1s best game as a pro. Watch the whole tape with JT O Sullivan (link below) and it will show you why the Bears will move on.

As electric as he is, he still misses some basics.

It’s just bad luck for Justin that the Bears have this pick. Just like it would be bad luck for 24 out of the 32 starting QBs in the league, that many teams would move on from their QB if gifted this 1.1 pick. ( including, Dak, Hurts, Kyler, Tua to name a few)

https://youtu.be/rrfBujHrz4k?si=5lussG_nbwvOZlTh


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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1944 » by fleet » Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:11 pm

othawhitemeat wrote:
fleet wrote:Some light smoke around the socials about the Giants having made an offer for Fields.

Awkward


Just need one team to make a strong offer for Fields - did it say offer?

I don’t know who the “insider” is, this guy, or the “source”
Read on Twitter


I have found nothing about what the offer could be.
Number of people around were taking it as if it has potential legitimacy as an incident. For example:

Read on Twitter



Could all be a telephone game. :dontknow:
Brad Biggs wrote:Fields was in the bottom third of the league in too many key statistical metrics for the Bears to commit to the idea of trading down from the first pick for a bundle of future assets and then building around him.
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1945 » by dice » Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:08 pm

heir_jordan22 wrote:
dice wrote:
nitetrain8603 wrote:
Bourne is meh. Don't know that Townsend is all that great. He really hasn't had to punt much. I would've rather had Araiza. Chusenberry would be great. No on Floyd unless you are adding him to a 3 man rotation with Sweat and a high rookie pick.

spending mad money on a DT is a terrible idea. cushenberry coming off first good season and was pretty terrible in his first 3 seasons, so that one's a gamble. as for floyd, he'd be returning to a location where he was considered a disappointment. bad psychology. he'll be 32 next season, obviously in decline. PFF grades:

age 29: 70
age 30: 66
age 31: 56

much depends on the contract, of course

Chris Jones and Aaron Donald are huge reasons the Rams and Chiefs have won championships in the last few years. Donald has been the Rams MVP for years. Their position doesnt matter. An elite pass rusher is an elite pass rusher.

rams defense avg. ranking since they started paying aaron donald: 15.5

that includes a #15 defense the year they won the super bowl. so why did they win the super bowl? they mortgaged the future by trading draft picks and playing cap gymnastics. super bowl cap hits:

14.4 donald
9.7 ramsey
5.3 cupp
0.7 von miller (picks traded for half season rental)

the next season?

27.0 donald
23.2 ramsey
17.8 cupp
gone von

the chiefs have averaged a #9 defense in the 4 years since they started paying chris jones. 2 of those seasons featured mahomes on a rookie deal, leaving them loads of money to spread around. this season the chiefs had the #2 defense. was that because they were on the hook for a 26.8 cap hit for an elite DT? or because they had cheap, solid starters like LBs bolton and tranquill as well as excellent corners on rookie deals?

and at the risk of stating the obvious, justin madubuike is no aaron donald or chris jones. one good (not even great) season. but you're gonna pay him 100 mil over 4 years? noooooo thank you
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1946 » by dice » Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:12 pm

fleet wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:
fleet wrote:Some light smoke around the socials about the Giants having made an offer for Fields.

Awkward


Just need one team to make a strong offer for Fields - did it say offer?

I don’t know who the “insider” is, this guy, or the “source”
Read on Twitter


I have found nothing about what the offer could be.
Number of people around were taking it as if it has legitimacy as an incident. For example:

Read on Twitter



Could all be a telephone game. :dontknow:

fields stans think the BEARS have a bad OL? whoooooo-ee! what're they gonna say when he's running for his life next season like daniel jones was this season? 85 sacks that line gave up! 2nd most since the stat was created! he finally just gave up and faked an injury:



no way the giants make that trade. totally pointless
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1947 » by othawhitemeat » Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:50 pm

fleet wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:
fleet wrote:Some light smoke around the socials about the Giants having made an offer for Fields.

Awkward


Just need one team to make a strong offer for Fields - did it say offer?

I don’t know who the “insider” is, this guy, or the “source”
Read on Twitter


I have found nothing about what the offer could be.
Number of people around were taking it as if it has potential legitimacy as an incident. For example:

Read on Twitter



Could all be a telephone game. :dontknow:


Would be sweet but doubt happens - would totally draft Bowers or if available, Nabors
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1948 » by HearshotKDS » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:16 pm

fleet wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:
fleet wrote:Some light smoke around the socials about the Giants having made an offer for Fields.

Awkward


Just need one team to make a strong offer for Fields - did it say offer?

I don’t know who the “insider” is, this guy, or the “source”
Read on Twitter


I have found nothing about what the offer could be.
Number of people around were taking it as if it has potential legitimacy as an incident. For example:

Read on Twitter



Could all be a telephone game. :dontknow:

I would be shocked if the Giants offered that but got dam that would be such a good return for Fields. Especially if 1-5 goes CW/Maye/Daniels/MHJ/Bowers and Nabers fell to Bears at 6 :usa:
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1949 » by Charlesareed » Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:33 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:
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Justin having probably his best passing game against Atlanta and then possibly getting traded there would be so ironic lol


After watching this it proves Justin is a good qb it been shown to us over the past 3 seasons sure no playoffs but that not all on him thig is will he be healthy cause he does tend to miss some games every season with the right weapons and OL he will be great and much better then most give him credit for if bears trade him he will be great. In pits atl or lv just watch out sure hope Caleb is that man if not it will bad in Chicago
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1950 » by dice » Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:00 am

this week's simulated offseason:

free agency

JJ - franchise tag
wilkins (DI - age 28) - 4 yrs.


mckinney (FS - age 26) - 1 yr.
henry (TE - age 29) - 2 yrs.
boyd (WR - age 29) - 1 yr.
epenesa (EDGE - age 26) - 2 yrs.
dillon (RB - age 26) - 1 yr.
westbrook-ikhine (WR - age 27) - 3 yrs.

draft

bears - caleb
WAS - maye
pats - marv
ARI - nabers
LAC - alt
MIN (from NYG) - daniels
TEN - fashanu
ATL - verse
bears - odunze
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1951 » by fleet » Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:15 am

^^^^ I prefer a draft that has us getting a franchise LT

After listening to a couple takes about Caleb not getting an agent, it just adds to the uncertainty of picking him. If anything, it won’t help him get to Chicago.
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1952 » by chitownsports4ever » Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:58 am

1985Bear wrote:
Dresden wrote:
biggestbullsfan wrote:
Read on Twitter


Justin having probably his best passing game against Atlanta and then possibly getting traded there would be so ironic lol


That was fun to watch. You can see why some teams might see the potential of him becoming their franchise QB. Unfortunately, you could also put together a tape of all the not-so-great moments he's had too.

Highlights tell half the story. Atlanta game is considered JF1s best game as a pro. Watch the whole tape with JT O Sullivan (link below) and it will show you why the Bears will move on.

As electric as he is, he still misses some basics.

It’s just bad luck for Justin that the Bears have this pick. Just like it would be bad luck for 24 out of the 32 starting QBs in the league, that many teams would move on from their QB if gifted this 1.1 pick. ( including, Dak, Hurts, Kyler, Tua to name a few)

https://youtu.be/rrfBujHrz4k?si=5lussG_nbwvOZlTh


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Yeah that video does not show why the Bears will move on in fact in that video JT states how a lot of Justins issues can be fixed with coaching but the bears also need a dynamic 1 and interior line help and that those things would help him as well. He even mentions how the numbers suggest that Caleb probably wont be Mahomes so if anything he laids down a path for the Bears to retain Justin .

Coaching - we have assembled probably the best offensive coaching staff in Bears history
draft picks and free agency - we have the assets to fix the interior line issues and add a dynamic #1

Listening to that video you can also see a path where Poles is running an elaborate smokescreen to try and get the biggest haul he can for that pick
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1953 » by chitownsports4ever » Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:14 am

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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1954 » by Jeffster81 » Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:33 am

fleet wrote:After listening to a couple takes about Caleb not getting an agent, it just adds to the uncertainty of picking him. If anything, it won’t help him get to Chicago.


Does not read like that to me. Caleb does not need an agent to negotiate a rookie contract. Now if he changes his mind and does hire an agent then I would worry.
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1955 » by heir_jordan22 » Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:39 am

dice wrote:
heir_jordan22 wrote:
dice wrote:spending mad money on a DT is a terrible idea. cushenberry coming off first good season and was pretty terrible in his first 3 seasons, so that one's a gamble. as for floyd, he'd be returning to a location where he was considered a disappointment. bad psychology. he'll be 32 next season, obviously in decline. PFF grades:

age 29: 70
age 30: 66
age 31: 56

much depends on the contract, of course

Chris Jones and Aaron Donald are huge reasons the Rams and Chiefs have won championships in the last few years. Donald has been the Rams MVP for years. Their position doesnt matter. An elite pass rusher is an elite pass rusher.

rams defense avg. ranking since they started paying aaron donald: 15.5

that includes a #15 defense the year they won the super bowl. so why did they win the super bowl? they mortgaged the future by trading draft picks and playing cap gymnastics. super bowl cap hits:

14.4 donald
9.7 ramsey
5.3 cupp
0.7 von miller (picks traded for half season rental)

the next season?

27.0 donald
23.2 ramsey
17.8 cupp
gone von

the chiefs have averaged a #9 defense in the 4 years since they started paying chris jones. 2 of those seasons featured mahomes on a rookie deal, leaving them loads of money to spread around. this season the chiefs had the #2 defense. was that because they were on the hook for a 26.8 cap hit for an elite DT? or because they had cheap, solid starters like LBs bolton and tranquill as well as excellent corners on rookie deals?

and at the risk of stating the obvious, justin madubuike is no aaron donald or chris jones. one good (not even great) season. but you're gonna pay him 100 mil over 4 years? noooooo thank you

What is a great season? He had 13 sacks with 33 qb hits. Chris jones has never had 33 qb hits and donald has surpassed that number only twice. This dude was elite. He had 14 sacks if you incldue the playoffs, which led all DTs.

And in case you've forgotten, we will have a qb on a rookie contract, as well as a bunch of young cheap corners (outside of Johnson).

The only issue with our defense is pass rush. There are no elite pass rush prospects in this draft. The DEs in free agency may be franchise tagged, and those who dont get tagged will likely be the older players (Hunter).
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1956 » by chitownsports4ever » Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:14 am

Jeffster81 wrote:
fleet wrote:After listening to a couple takes about Caleb not getting an agent, it just adds to the uncertainty of picking him. If anything, it won’t help him get to Chicago.


Does not read like that to me. Caleb does not need an agent to negotiate a rookie contract. Now if he changes his mind and does hire an agent then I would worry.



actually you do because while the base pay is set things like when you get your signing bonus, voids, offsets and other things have to be negotiated . Have we already forgotten about Roquan holding out ?
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1957 » by heir_jordan22 » Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:31 am

dice wrote:
fleet wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:
Just need one team to make a strong offer for Fields - did it say offer?

I don’t know who the “insider” is, this guy, or the “source”
Read on Twitter


I have found nothing about what the offer could be.
Number of people around were taking it as if it has legitimacy as an incident. For example:

Read on Twitter



Could all be a telephone game. :dontknow:

fields stans think the BEARS have a bad OL? whoooooo-ee! what're they gonna say when he's running for his life next season like daniel jones was this season? 85 sacks that line gave up! 2nd most since the stat was created! he finally just gave up and faked an injury:



no way the giants make that trade. totally pointless

What a lame post. Do the Bears have a good offensive line. Do you want to bring Caleb Williams in with the exact same roster on offense. Get outta here with this nonsense.
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1958 » by dice » Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:40 am

heir_jordan22 wrote:
dice wrote:
heir_jordan22 wrote:Chris Jones and Aaron Donald are huge reasons the Rams and Chiefs have won championships in the last few years. Donald has been the Rams MVP for years. Their position doesnt matter. An elite pass rusher is an elite pass rusher.

rams defense avg. ranking since they started paying aaron donald: 15.5

that includes a #15 defense the year they won the super bowl. so why did they win the super bowl? they mortgaged the future by trading draft picks and playing cap gymnastics. super bowl cap hits:

14.4 donald
9.7 ramsey
5.3 cupp
0.7 von miller (picks traded for half season rental)

the next season?

27.0 donald
23.2 ramsey
17.8 cupp
gone von

the chiefs have averaged a #9 defense in the 4 years since they started paying chris jones. 2 of those seasons featured mahomes on a rookie deal, leaving them loads of money to spread around. this season the chiefs had the #2 defense. was that because they were on the hook for a 26.8 cap hit for an elite DT? or because they had cheap, solid starters like LBs bolton and tranquill as well as excellent corners on rookie deals?

and at the risk of stating the obvious, justin madubuike is no aaron donald or chris jones. one good (not even great) season. but you're gonna pay him 100 mil over 4 years? noooooo thank you

What is a great season? He had 13 sacks with 33 qb hits. Chris jones has never had 33 qb hits and donald has surpassed that number only twice. This dude was elite. He had 14 sacks if you incldue the playoffs, which led all DTs.

pass rush is not the only responsibility of an interior defender. he was certainly an elite pass rusher!

And in case you've forgotten, we will have a qb on a rookie contract, as well as a bunch of young cheap corners (outside of Johnson).

in case you never knew it, handing out bad deals is a bad idea regardless of your cap situation

The only issue with our defense is pass rush. There are no elite pass rush prospects in this draft. The DEs in free agency may be franchise tagged, and those who dont get tagged will likely be the older players (Hunter).

if you're only concerned about pass rush, there are much cheaper options than madubuike
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1959 » by dice » Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:46 am

heir_jordan22 wrote:
dice wrote:
fleet wrote:I don’t know who the “insider” is, this guy, or the “source”
Read on Twitter


I have found nothing about what the offer could be.
Number of people around were taking it as if it has legitimacy as an incident. For example:

Read on Twitter



Could all be a telephone game. :dontknow:

fields stans think the BEARS have a bad OL? whoooooo-ee! what're they gonna say when he's running for his life next season like daniel jones was this season? 85 sacks that line gave up! 2nd most since the stat was created! he finally just gave up and faked an injury:



no way the giants make that trade. totally pointless

What a lame post. Do the Bears have a good offensive line. Do you want to bring Caleb Williams in with the exact same roster on offense. Get outta here with this nonsense.

speaking of nonsense, i'm not sure what you're even talking about. know what's lame? not reading what people are actually saying before calling it lame nonsense

i was talking about the GIANTS TRADING FOR JUSTIN FIELDS. it had nothing at all to do with justin fields vs. caleb williams. or whether the bears need to improve their line. but yes, the bears line is quite obviously MILES better than the giants line

and please learn how to use a question mark. pure gibberish
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Re: Bears 2024 2.0 

Post#1960 » by fleet » Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:04 am

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