Update PG 4: Patrick Williams OUT For Season

[Dan Z]

Phillips, Terry, and Taylor can play PF too. Drell too if we were ever going to play him.

Saddest sentence in Bulls history...

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[Dan Z]

Good call. Saves money on his next contract and this season never meant anything anyway as it regards team success.

I think we are about to enter a free fall and start losing a lot. I said this awhile back and so it has nothing to do with Pat’s surgery, though the impact that has on our depth certainly hurts the team.

I can still watch games for Ayo, Coby and Phillips I guess. I really hate our FO.

Hopefully you're right. A high 2024 draft pick is important for the future of this team (even though I never like to see the Bulls lose).

[madvillian]

Good call. Saves money on his next contract and this season never meant anything anyway as it regards team success.

I think we are about to enter a free fall and start losing a lot. I said this awhile back and so it has nothing to do with Pat’s surgery, though the impact that has on our depth certainly hurts the team.

I can still watch games for Ayo, Coby and Phillips I guess. I really hate our FO.

Yea I said it in the game thread, there's a good chance we will fall to the 10th seed. Only the awfulness of the East will prevent us from falling out of the play in completely. We're going to finish around 32 wins imo. The guys are going to get burned our mentally and physically (they probably already are) covering all the minutes and roles they aren't ready to handle.

As for Pat, this is a bad sign. I wonder if he's one of those NBA players that simply did not get enough calcium growing up. He's not a 7 footer, he's not even particlary bulky, and he's having foot issues requiring 3-4 months off already?

I just hope he can be 100% for camp. FFS I hate this ****. It's never ending. We never have enough talent and even when we do have some talent worth watching it gets hurt. Why couldn't it be like Vuc and Carter out for the year instead of Zach and Pat?

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Phillips, Terry, and Taylor can play PF too. Drell too if we were ever going to play him.

Saddest sentence in Bulls history...

How about “Today the Chicago Bulls announced it has reached an agreement with Arturas Karsinovas to become the team’s next Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations.”

I'm quite possibly one of the most patient sports fans in history, but I've reached my end. I was willing to give AKME the benefit of the doubt because they originally put together a pretty good squad after some major changes.

If the roster isn't revamped again this off-season, I'll be done with them. And I'm not talking about signing some fringe players for the 7-10 spots on the bench. We should have at least 2 new starters next season.

Ideally we'd have a new PG, PF, and Center to pair with Coby and Caruso(?). A bench of Ayo, PWill, Craig, Terry, Phillips, Vuc, Bitim. God that sounds depressing as I type it out.

[FriedRise]

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Oh he’ll be back. The continuity is strong with this one.

[Dan Z]

$12.9M seems like an overpay for a guy who does what Pat can, who is also going to be coming off dicey FOOT surgery. It's not my money so I don't care of course, so yes offer him the QO so we maintain "control" even if it's inevitably going to be a dead weight 1 year contract. But what team will actually offer a career 9pts 4 rebounds guy coming off foot surgery big money? And why in gods green earth would we want to match such an offer if it came to pass?

2weekswithpay said that if he signs the QO then he has a no trade clause. PW has to sign off on any deals.

He's 22 years old and a good defensive player who shoots three's at a solid percentage (on low volume). There might be a team who is willing to take a chance on him. For example, Detroit. What do they have to lose if they try to outbid the Bulls?

My initial take on this is that if he takes the QO that's good for the Bulls.

Lauri's breakout in Utah probably has a lot of us shaken on giving up on our under performing recent lotto picks. Heck the fan base was relatively indifferent to keeping Coby last off season as well. So yeah I get where you're coming from. The foot surgery is a scary quirk here though. And Pat has been Snell'ian in his performance/growth(lack-there-of). Plus Lonzo, and now very possibly Zach, are crushing us with dead weight salary.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense for PW to take a multi-year deal if a team offers it. That would be better than gambling on himself and taking the QO.

There's a chance that this injury is reoccurring and, if that happens, next year might be up and down for him.

[DASMACKDOWN]

We saw this about 2 weeks ago. Its sad that we expected this.

[ChettheJet]

My suspicious nature makes me think they knew he was going to need surgery at the deadline and sill did nothing to find a PF. So with how things ended up I'm left thinking the organization didn't want to make any big moves at the deadline because they see better options coming over the summer. Anything done a week ago might have appeased some fans but not set up anything for next year.

Come summer I think moving DeRozan in a S&T is on the list. Maybe finding a taker for Lavine. Vucevic with only 2 years to go is a candidate for trade. They see teams more willing to trade for Caruso for an entire season on an expiring contract. They end up getting expiring contracts, rookie contract players and future picks.

Then the plan is build around Coby. Ayo gets enough PG minutes the rest of the year to start there next year. Patrick comes back healthy at the 3. I still might be the only one but a returning Lonzo Ball could happen. The bench could consist of Carter, Craig, Phillips, Terry.

[greenwing]

Whelp, that $28 mil per year…

[madvillian]

My suspicious nature makes me think they knew he was going to need surgery at the deadline and sill did nothing to find a PF. So with how things ended up I'm left thinking the organization didn't want to make any big moves at the deadline because they see better options coming over the summer. Anything done a week ago might have appeased some fans but not set up anything for next year.

Come summer I think moving DeRozan in a S&T is on the list. Maybe finding a taker for Lavine. Vucevic with only 2 years to go is a candidate for trade. They see teams more willing to trade for Caruso for an entire season on an expiring contract. They end up getting expiring contracts, rookie contract players and future picks.

Then the plan is build around Coby. Ayo gets enough PG minutes the rest of the year to start there next year. Patrick comes back healthy at the 3. I still might be the only one but a returning Lonzo Ball could happen. The bench could consist of Carter, Craig, Phillips, Terry.

No offense to white, but my god this is where we are at headed into year 4 of AKME?

[Dan Z]

My suspicious nature makes me think they knew he was going to need surgery at the deadline and sill did nothing to find a PF. So with how things ended up I'm left thinking the organization didn't want to make any big moves at the deadline because they see better options coming over the summer. Anything done a week ago might have appeased some fans but not set up anything for next year.

Come summer I think moving DeRozan in a S&T is on the list. Maybe finding a taker for Lavine. Vucevic with only 2 years to go is a candidate for trade. They see teams more willing to trade for Caruso for an entire season on an expiring contract. They end up getting expiring contracts, rookie contract players and future picks.

Then the plan is build around Coby. Ayo gets enough PG minutes the rest of the year to start there next year. Patrick comes back healthy at the 3. I still might be the only one but a returning Lonzo Ball could happen. The bench could consist of Carter, Craig, Phillips, Terry.

I hope you're right, but everything AK said makes me think the plan is to push for the play-in/playoffs.

If he wanted to trade Caruso wouldn't his value be higher this year than in the off season? That way a team gets him for two playoffs instead of one.

I bet you're right about AK knowing about PW's surgery or at least having a good idea about it being a possibility.

[dougthonus]

Not surprising as an outcome after the words "bone edema" were printed. I noted that it seems like an injury most likely to take him out for the season and the Bulls did a disservice by saying they encourage active rest and will reevaluate in 2 weeks.

WTF is wrong with their PR department when it comes to injuries?

[Clint Eastwood]

Not surprising as an outcome after the words "bone edema" were printed. I noted that it seems like an injury most likely to take him out for the season and the Bulls did a disservice by saying they encourage active rest and will reevaluate in 2 weeks.

WTF is wrong with their PR department when it comes to injuries?

And WTF is wrong with their medical and training staff that they prescribed “active” rest for a stress reaction?

[madvillian]

Not surprising as an outcome after the words "bone edema" were printed. I noted that it seems like an injury most likely to take him out for the season and the Bulls did a disservice by saying they encourage active rest and will reevaluate in 2 weeks.

WTF is wrong with their PR department when it comes to injuries?

And WTF is wrong with their medical and training staff that they prescribed “active” rest for a stress reaction?

I mean you gotta try and stay in shape. I don't blame the medical staff, the right thing is to shut him down and let it heal. This is the type of thing that could easily ruin his entire career if it turns into a chronic issue.

As Doug noted, the problem was with the PR around it. When you research "bone edema" the range of outcomes is a few weeks to a few months or more. And the few months or more seems to be the outcome for high level athletes that are pounding their bones for a living.

[League Circles]

On the bright side this substantially reduces the chance that we overpay him. But sadly it doesn't eliminate it.

[mj234eva]

Hopefully he'll be back within a couple years.

[Charlesareed]

Best wishes on Pat's recovery. Obviously crushes his shall we say previously elevated dreams of his next contract. Is giving him the qualifying offer now a question mark? Especially after the Lonzo debacle.

This site says the QO is 12.9 million.

If he were to sign for that much, does it mean there are any rules attached to it such as he can't be traded or whatever?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/patrick-williams-70646/

12.9 million for him next year wouldn't be a bad idea. He can try to prove that he's worth more and is healthy.

If he signs the QA he’ll be a unrestricted free agent in following summer

[Charlesareed]

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Oh he’ll be back. The continuity is strong with this one.

Well that AKME for you rinse recycle repeat continuity

[vxmike]

Well I think we need to see the Drummond/Vucevic pairing up front the rest of the year. They’ve done well and beating up Demar and Caruso at PF makes no sense.

Very odd the FO didn’t attempt to acquire a PF at the deadline. Can you imagine if Vuc or Drummond miss any games?

[Red8911]

Wow many of you guys called it that he will end up being out for the season.Funny how KC earlier in the day reported the opposite that Pat isn’t out for the season and no chance he needs surgery lol. Got that one totally wrong.

Really sucks, just as he started to look better he gets this injury bothered him for a couple weeks and now needs surgery. This guy has had bad luck with injuries and has slowed down his development.

What does this mean for his upcoming FA? Maybe the Bulls can now sign him for cheaper ?

For this season this totally screws the Bulls. Pat was very important and they needed him. Terrible news,this team can’t catch a break.