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Dresden wrote:Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Atlanta signing Mooney is great for the Bears, probably takes them off the board for a WR at 8.
I was thinking that too.
jnrjr79 wrote:chitownsports4ever wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:
I don't know what to tell you. I think your take here is pretty crazy and runs counter to all recent reporting on what's happening. You don't seem to have any backup for your opinion and are just making an unsupported assertion that if they wanted to trade Fields, they would have already done it, based on just your feelings or whatever.
So if I understand correctly, you believe the Bears want to keep Justin, but refuse to say that they're going to keep him?
My opinion backed by Poles comments is at the combine as well as he end of the season presser but what is your opinion backed by recent reports but not one actual quote from anyone within the Bears organization but take is crazy
I dont know what the Bears want to do all I can say that if I go by what they SAY and WHAT THEY DO it sure as heck hasnt been established at this point to be moving on from Fields.
Poles said at his presser that he would have to be wowed by a player to move on from Fields
Poles said at the combine that IF he were to decide to draft a QB #1 and Fields would be traded that he would move him quickly so precisely this time uncertainty would be avoided . But you follow some reporters and they are never wrong so at this point I should simply ignore all of that.
I mean, yes, if on the one hand you have all of the well-connected news-breaker types saying one thing and an NFL GM (whose interest is in improving the team, not being candid) saying another, you should believe the news-breakers and not the GM.
Adam Schefter is reporting today that the Bears have been unable to move Fields because no NFL team with a starting QB slot available wants him and that all interested teams view him only as a backup. This seems more likely to be the reason Fields hasn't been traded.
Dresden wrote:The Bears definitely need 2 more WR's now. It seems like this sort of limits their flexibility. OTH, if they had had to pay Mooney 13 mil a year that would have put a dent in their cap situation. I thought the Bears might be able to keep him at a bargain price given his lack of production, but apparently the WR market is just very thin, so he got paid more than the Bears wanted to pay him.
To me, this makes it even more likely we'll trade back if one of the WR's is not there at 9.
I wonder how the Bears view Tyler Scott- if they envision as a possible WR3? If we went into the season with DJ, Odunze, and Scott, that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
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El Ridda wrote:Good for Mooney. Someone posted the article last week about him turning down a three year deal from the Bears before last season. I made a 'when keeping it real goes wrong' crack. Seems that Mooney and his agent were right after all! I'm happy to eat crow and hope he does well in ATL.
Brad Biggs wrote:Fields was in the bottom third of the league in too many key statistical metrics for the Bears to commit to the idea of trading down from the first pick for a bundle of future assets and then building around him.
TheJordanRule wrote:biggestbullsfan wrote:HoopsterJones wrote:
Cousins should be able to throw the ball to Mooney better than Fields has the past 2 seasons. Hope all the best for him.
Was that really necessary?
Justin's limited ability to process was a big reason why Mooney was mostly ignored all year. You disagree?
patryk7754 wrote:Looks like Fields will be on the bears regardless of whats done with the 1st pick.
fleet wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:.
So if I understand correctly, you believe the Bears want to keep Justin, but refuse to say that they're going to keep him?
That’s what it boils down to. If Fields was Poles’ quarterback, he would say so, and save Justin all this drama. There’s no strategic payoff that is believable. Last season being exhibit A.
jnrjr79 wrote:chitownsports4ever wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:
I don't know what to tell you. I think your take here is pretty crazy and runs counter to all recent reporting on what's happening. You don't seem to have any backup for your opinion and are just making an unsupported assertion that if they wanted to trade Fields, they would have already done it, based on just your feelings or whatever.
So if I understand correctly, you believe the Bears want to keep Justin, but refuse to say that they're going to keep him?
My opinion backed by Poles comments is at the combine as well as he end of the season presser but what is your opinion backed by recent reports but not one actual quote from anyone within the Bears organization but take is crazy
I dont know what the Bears want to do all I can say that if I go by what they SAY and WHAT THEY DO it sure as heck hasnt been established at this point to be moving on from Fields.
Poles said at his presser that he would have to be wowed by a player to move on from Fields
Poles said at the combine that IF he were to decide to draft a QB #1 and Fields would be traded that he would move him quickly so precisely this time uncertainty would be avoided . But you follow some reporters and they are never wrong so at this point I should simply ignore all of that.
I mean, yes, if on the one hand you have all of the well-connected news-breaker types saying one thing and an NFL GM (whose interest is in improving the team, not being candid) saying another, you should believe the news-breakers and not the GM.
Adam Schefter is reporting today that the Bears have been unable to move Fields because no NFL team with a starting QB slot available wants him and that all interested teams view him only as a backup. This seems more likely to be the reason Fields hasn't been traded.
Bulls69 wrote:fleet wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:.
So if I understand correctly, you believe the Bears want to keep Justin, but refuse to say that they're going to keep him?
That’s what it boils down to. If Fields was Poles’ quarterback, he would say so, and save Justin all this drama. There’s no strategic payoff that is believable. Last season being exhibit A.
I disagree Poles was doing his due diligence in which he said before the start of free agency.
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fleet wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:.
So if I understand correctly, you believe the Bears want to keep Justin, but refuse to say that they're going to keep him?
That’s what it boils down to. If Fields was Poles’ quarterback, he would say so, and save Justin all this drama. There’s no strategic payoff that is believable. Last season being exhibit A.
"I've got to stay open-minded about it," Poles said. "Not to use the same quote, but when I say, 'I need to be blown away,' it's the same setup because seeing the things that Justin did this year, his ability to make plays … keeping his eyes down the field, taking less sacks, you see a lot of growth there where he can continue to get better. So I'll have the same mindset."
Poles revealed that the Bears are in "information gathering mode right now."
"We are going to turn every stone to make sure that we are going to make a sound decision for our organization," Poles said. "I did think Justin got better. I think he can lead this team. But at the same time, there is a unique situation. I have to look and our staff has to look at everything, and that's exactly what we're going to do."
Poles was asked if he'll allow the unwavering belief that Bears teammates have in Fields influence the GM's decision concerning the quarterback position.
"I have to separate it a little bit, but I absolutely love it," Poles said. "I mean, when you talk about building a team, I want that type of support in the locker room. I want those guys, when they go take the field, I want them to believe in the player that they have at that quarterback position. I want them to believe in the person to the right and to the left, so I absolutely love that. With any decision, I've got to take the emotion out of it and look at the whole deal there."
Poles understands that his evaluation of quarterbacks in the draft must extend beyond how they perform on the field.
"The person; that's the biggest part," he said. "I've got a lot of confidence in our ability to see talent on the field. The human being we've got to figure out, especially to be a quarterback in this city. You've got to have it right. You've got to have toughness to you. You've got to have mental toughness. You've got to be able to block things out."
Asked if the No. 1 pick is for sale, Poles said: "Again, I'm wide open to anything. If somebody wants to call me with an idea, that's fine. I'm open to it."
While Poles was motivated to deal the No. 1 selection in March last year, he plans to hold onto the 2024 top choice a little bit longer, telling reporters: "In my mind right now, I'm going to take this all the way to April."
chitownsports4ever wrote:fleet wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:.
So if I understand correctly, you believe the Bears want to keep Justin, but refuse to say that they're going to keep him?
That’s what it boils down to. If Fields was Poles’ quarterback, he would say so, and save Justin all this drama. There’s no strategic payoff that is believable. Last season being exhibit A.
It would be if you ignored everything the man says
from the end of the season presser
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/poles-staying-open-minded-about-no-1-pick-in-draft-2024-quarterback-justin-fields"I've got to stay open-minded about it," Poles said. "Not to use the same quote, but when I say, 'I need to be blown away,' it's the same setup because seeing the things that Justin did this year, his ability to make plays … keeping his eyes down the field, taking less sacks, you see a lot of growth there where he can continue to get better. So I'll have the same mindset."
Poles revealed that the Bears are in "information gathering mode right now."
"We are going to turn every stone to make sure that we are going to make a sound decision for our organization," Poles said. "I did think Justin got better. I think he can lead this team. But at the same time, there is a unique situation. I have to look and our staff has to look at everything, and that's exactly what we're going to do."
Poles was asked if he'll allow the unwavering belief that Bears teammates have in Fields influence the GM's decision concerning the quarterback position.
"I have to separate it a little bit, but I absolutely love it," Poles said. "I mean, when you talk about building a team, I want that type of support in the locker room. I want those guys, when they go take the field, I want them to believe in the player that they have at that quarterback position. I want them to believe in the person to the right and to the left, so I absolutely love that. With any decision, I've got to take the emotion out of it and look at the whole deal there."
Poles understands that his evaluation of quarterbacks in the draft must extend beyond how they perform on the field.
"The person; that's the biggest part," he said. "I've got a lot of confidence in our ability to see talent on the field. The human being we've got to figure out, especially to be a quarterback in this city. You've got to have it right. You've got to have toughness to you. You've got to have mental toughness. You've got to be able to block things out."
Asked if the No. 1 pick is for sale, Poles said: "Again, I'm wide open to anything. If somebody wants to call me with an idea, that's fine. I'm open to it."
While Poles was motivated to deal the No. 1 selection in March last year, he plans to hold onto the 2024 top choice a little bit longer, telling reporters: "In my mind right now, I'm going to take this all the way to April."
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:CROBulls wrote:Bears need now two WR's signings. Draft or FA doesnt matter. Team is shallow already on offensive weapons. If Caleb is here tommorow he has less options to throw than Fields had.
If this team continues doing nothing, what’s stopping Caleb from just saying “nah I’m good, don’t draft me”. Maybe he wanted to wait until the 20th to see how their free agency went.
When Caleb was asked what questions he had for the Bears when they meet, his response was “Do you want to win”. I don’t think he was complimenting himself as adding him would equal winning, I think he was actually wondering if the franchise is committed to winning.
chitownsports4ever wrote:fleet wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:.
So if I understand correctly, you believe the Bears want to keep Justin, but refuse to say that they're going to keep him?
That’s what it boils down to. If Fields was Poles’ quarterback, he would say so, and save Justin all this drama. There’s no strategic payoff that is believable. Last season being exhibit A.
It would be if you ignored everything the man says
from the end of the season presser
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/poles-staying-open-minded-about-no-1-pick-in-draft-2024-quarterback-justin-fields"I've got to stay open-minded about it," Poles said. "Not to use the same quote, but when I say, 'I need to be blown away,' it's the same setup because seeing the things that Justin did this year, his ability to make plays … keeping his eyes down the field, taking less sacks, you see a lot of growth there where he can continue to get better. So I'll have the same mindset."
Poles revealed that the Bears are in "information gathering mode right now."
"We are going to turn every stone to make sure that we are going to make a sound decision for our organization," Poles said. "I did think Justin got better. I think he can lead this team. But at the same time, there is a unique situation. I have to look and our staff has to look at everything, and that's exactly what we're going to do."
Poles was asked if he'll allow the unwavering belief that Bears teammates have in Fields influence the GM's decision concerning the quarterback position.
"I have to separate it a little bit, but I absolutely love it," Poles said. "I mean, when you talk about building a team, I want that type of support in the locker room. I want those guys, when they go take the field, I want them to believe in the player that they have at that quarterback position. I want them to believe in the person to the right and to the left, so I absolutely love that. With any decision, I've got to take the emotion out of it and look at the whole deal there."
Poles understands that his evaluation of quarterbacks in the draft must extend beyond how they perform on the field.
"The person; that's the biggest part," he said. "I've got a lot of confidence in our ability to see talent on the field. The human being we've got to figure out, especially to be a quarterback in this city. You've got to have it right. You've got to have toughness to you. You've got to have mental toughness. You've got to be able to block things out."
Asked if the No. 1 pick is for sale, Poles said: "Again, I'm wide open to anything. If somebody wants to call me with an idea, that's fine. I'm open to it."
While Poles was motivated to deal the No. 1 selection in March last year, he plans to hold onto the 2024 top choice a little bit longer, telling reporters: "In my mind right now, I'm going to take this all the way to April."
