Bulls vs Pistons 7pm CT

[Ice Man]

FIRE BILLY NOW!

As I keep writing, losing teams make their fans lose their minds.

[ChettheJet]

This is the game we keep seeing from the Bulls, whether it's full strength, 1, 2, 3 guys injured, they have the clunker against either a bad team or a young athletic inexperienced group who will fold if pressed. Among the reasons I want to spend the summer trading is they aren't a smart BB IQ group and despite all the yapping about Demar being a leader, he doesn't seem able to take control of the team when things are going badly, steady the ship and stop games like this from slipping away. He's more likely to try and score 50 and not pay attention to the rest of the team, the same for Lavine.

Can anybody honestly see the Bulls putting together a 5 game winning streak? I don't know when the last time they did that, last year I think the best they could manage was 3 in a row. And this is not now nor has it been a young team, DeRozan, Vucevic, Caruso, Lavine when healthy, Drummond, Carter, in the past DJJ they should have been able to pause and get a hold on games and show Coby, Ayo, Patrick how to NOT let games like this slip through their fingers.

When they kept missing 3's you saw that they have guys who can have good shooting games but Caruso now starting and off the bench Carter and Terry are never going to score 20 points to carry the team once in a while.

[Andi Obst]

Arturas says he believes in this team but also refuses to add actual NBA-level players to the roster. With the extreme lack of depth, this is what you're going to get: a group of guys that is trying really hard and will get some good wins, but also takes some brutal Ls because the solid/good players are asked to do too much.

Coby has taken a big leap, but playing at that new, higher level while leading the league in minutes is just insane. The fact that DeMar has been this healthy while playing the minutes he's been asked to play tells you a lot about how he takes care of his body. It's super impressive and he deserves more credit for that.

[Dan Z]

We are in the early stages of a run of lots more losses than wins. In fairness to the current roster, look at who we are playing. The injury situation really is ridiculous.

Season was effectively over when it started, but it’s definitely over now.

AK should've realized that a long time ago and made moves for the team's future instead of fighting for a play-in spot.

[FriedRise]

Arturas says he believes in this team but also refuses to add actual NBA-level players to the roster.

They're just in a terrible, terrible position. It all goes back to the payroll where right off the bat to start the season, we're down 20M with Lonzo. Then Zach joined soon after, and later on Pat and Craig - and there goes 70M.

Remove 70M worth of production from any team and you get what you get. It's honestly a miracle (a curse?) we are where we are, because we should probably be closer to where Memphis is with all these season-ending injuries. This team has been churning out wins on the backs of the players on value contract - Coby, Ayo, Caruso, Drummond, Craig, even DeMar - and the minutes are starting to catch up to them. Night in/night out they have to overcome being down half the salary cap AND Vooch's abysmal production against these mostly healthy teams.

That's why it was incredibly silly that AK kept preaching continuity and staying the course where the math and the numbers were never gonna add up. They had the chance to cash out and get decent value back for Caruso, Drummond, and DeMar and refused. Yes we can be competitive with the current team, but at what cost? And why? We know they're gonna point to injuries when we don't make it out of the play-in again.

This roster is so thin and ravaged by injuries that we're at a point where if ONE player is having an off game and you're playing a good team, it's probably a loss. Last night, MULTIPLE guys had an off night which is why we lost to the Pistons. That's how low the margin of error is for this team.

[Stratmaster]

FIRE BILLY NOW!

As I keep writing, losing teams make their fans lose their minds.

Well, we keep blaming players, changing which one is the scapegoat from game to game. The only constants have been Demar, Vuc.....and Billy.

Why is it that no matter who is on the court, the patterns of winning and losing never have seemed to change over the course of more than 2 seasons?

[Ice Man]

Why is it that no matter who is on the court, the patterns of winning and losing never have seemed to change over the course of more than 2 seasons?

What I don't understand is why despite 75 years of evidence to the contrary, you think that swapping coaches for low/mid talent teams makes any meaningful difference. It doesn't. Never has, never will.

[BeatDaCavs420]

Why is it that no matter who is on the court, the patterns of winning and losing never have seemed to change over the course of more than 2 seasons?

What I don't understand is why despite 75 years of evidence to the contrary, you think that swapping coaches for low/mid talent teams makes any meaningful difference. It doesn't. Never has, never will.

Well it would make a difference if the team didn't come out flat and confused the second half because better coaches have made adjustments and Billy is left looking like a deer in headlights while the team is getting spanked

[Stratmaster]

Why is it that no matter who is on the court, the patterns of winning and losing never have seemed to change over the course of more than 2 seasons?

What I don't understand is why despite 75 years of evidence to the contrary, you think that swapping coaches for low/mid talent teams makes any meaningful difference. It doesn't. Never has, never will.

What I don't understand is how you can watch the worst coach in Bulls history not named Boylen (and he is right there with Boylen), and possibly the worst coach in the NBA, and think it doesn't affect the number of wins. Of course, swapping one mediocre coach for another doesn't change anything. Billy isn't mediocre. He is horrible. In pretty much every aspect.

This team wasn't a low mid team. Billy made them into one. Coaches don't win games. but they most definitely can lose them. Billy plays the wrong players, in the wrong roles, with the wrong groupings. He is horrible at game management. He has manged to alienate the best player on the team. Until recently he manged to keep the best rebounder in history on the bench while we watched other teams get offensive rebound, after offensive rebound. He insists on playing guys 6-4" to 6-6" against players much taller and bigger. He has gotten absolutely nothing out of the Bulls best draft prospect in Williams. He has no offensive plan for the 4th quarter other than give the ball to Demar.

He never gives his players their best chance to succeed, which is the job of a head coach. In fact, he stubbornly does the opposite.

What hasn't he done wrong? What has he done well? You don't think any of that affects the W/L record?