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HomoSapien wrote:I feel like this has completely flown under the radar. A 34-year-old veteran is leading the league in MPG. I think we all wish we had a true franchise player in DeRozan's place, but I also think we don't appreciate him enough. There is a lot of talk about how his game is old-school, but he's also old-school in the best of ways. The man is a consummate professional. At this age, he still puts in the off-season work. He doesn't sit out. He loves taking younger players under his wing. He has arguably the most artistically beautiful footwork/mid-range game in the entire league, at times has been shakey but still is tremendous in the clutch. He also loves the game wholeheartedly, which is something that's becoming increasingly more rare.

As a side note, if Thibs was playing this many minutes he would be getting eaten alive. It might be because of the board's apathy, but I haven't seen Billy get criticized for this (Coby is also 7th in MPG).

WindyCityBorn wrote:

Dez wrote:

WindyCityBorn wrote:
AK should be fired for anything more than 3yrs/$75 million. We should be paying him for past production. He is clearly declining now.

How is he clearly declining?

Scoring and efficiency are down.

WindyCityBorn wrote:

MrSparkle wrote:Well, one thing that’s consistent in Chicago sports, is the obvious greats are worshipped, but the almost-great/good guys tend to be taken for granted. Flaws and shortcomings magnified. You have to remember that Kobe hit the lottery when Odom, Caron and Chucky Atkins were his team… Lebron couldn’t take a green Lonzo, Ingram and Randle into the first round… so Demar’s been kind of unfairly blamed for hogging shots and stunting some… really green, shaky prospects (and carrying a very injured squad).

Demar’s 3 years in Chicago have been nothing short of a generational FA bargain. AK’s Big score amongst the blunders.

Unfortunately the next step (extension) is more complicated.. but so far AK hasn’t given out any egregious extensions, although Zach and Vuc do demonstrate the potential drawbacks of seemingly OK deals. (Though barring setbacks, Zach should be easy to move for a cap dump) I imagine a 120/4 type of deal in the works, and that kinda scares me unless the last 2 years are partially guaranteed.

The way we looked in November and with more season injuries, it was hard holding Demar and not just going for the tank, but honestly glad to see him and the remaining bodies winning +500, instead of getting a 2nd rounder or some other pennies. (Mediocrity of the coming draft, Coby/Ayo jumps made it easier to keep him)

AK should be fired for anything more than 3yrs/$75 million. We should be paying him for past production. He is clearly declining now.

boozapalooza wrote:

WindyCityBorn wrote:

MrSparkle wrote:Well, one thing that’s consistent in Chicago sports, is the obvious greats are worshipped, but the almost-great/good guys tend to be taken for granted. Flaws and shortcomings magnified. You have to remember that Kobe hit the lottery when Odom, Caron and Chucky Atkins were his team… Lebron couldn’t take a green Lonzo, Ingram and Randle into the first round… so Demar’s been kind of unfairly blamed for hogging shots and stunting some… really green, shaky prospects (and carrying a very injured squad).

Demar’s 3 years in Chicago have been nothing short of a generational FA bargain. AK’s Big score amongst the blunders.

Unfortunately the next step (extension) is more complicated.. but so far AK hasn’t given out any egregious extensions, although Zach and Vuc do demonstrate the potential drawbacks of seemingly OK deals. (Though barring setbacks, Zach should be easy to move for a cap dump) I imagine a 120/4 type of deal in the works, and that kinda scares me unless the last 2 years are partially guaranteed.

The way we looked in November and with more season injuries, it was hard holding Demar and not just going for the tank, but honestly glad to see him and the remaining bodies winning +500, instead of getting a 2nd rounder or some other pennies. (Mediocrity of the coming draft, Coby/Ayo jumps made it easier to keep him)

AK should be fired for anything more than 3yrs/$75 million. We should be paying him for past production. He is clearly declining now.

Is he declining now? Hes playing at a pretty elite level. Worth 25-30M per year (at least) if he can keep this up. Seems easy to resign him for 2/3 years and scale back his minutes to a more sustainable level.

Dez wrote:

WindyCityBorn wrote:

Dez wrote:
How is he clearly declining?

Scoring and efficiency are down.

His scoring is down marginally because he's given some of the offensive responsibility to Coby, plus Ayo's expanded offensive game has given him more of a role.

His efficiency is slightly down which can be attributed to taking more 3s.

He's not clearly declining.

WindyCityBorn wrote:

Dez wrote:

WindyCityBorn wrote:
Scoring and efficiency are down.

His scoring is down marginally because he's given some of the offensive responsibility to Coby, plus Ayo's expanded offensive game has given him more of a role.

His efficiency is slightly down which can be attributed to taking more 3s.

He's not clearly declining.

Nah he was All-NBA with Zach scoring 25 ppg. Ball was significantly better version of this year’s Ayo. So those excuses don’t fly. He is still really good, but definitely declining. I has nothing to do with Coby or Ayo. All athletes decline as you they get older. To claim DeRozan is an outlier is just being in denial. We have definitely seen his best. And it’s fine to admit that.

MalagaBulls wrote:One thing I think could sway me to bringing back Deebo on a 2/60M is if he can elevate his 3 point % to 36/37 at present volume.
He is averaging 3 shots per game and for him that would be a game changer.

PurpleTrees wrote:Demar is going for 35 to 40 mil a season. I dont know where some of you guys are getting 25 mil from. Hes a max player and would be eligible for 4/180. I see him signing a 4/155 deal, giving the Bulls a 25 mil discount over the 4 year term. The Bulls will need to trade Zach for this to happen, or be satisfied with a Demar S/T.

If you guys dont believe me, i guess we'll see this summer.

League Circles wrote:

PurpleTrees wrote:Demar is going for 35 to 40 mil a season. I dont know where some of you guys are getting 25 mil from. Hes a max player and would be eligible for 4/180. I see him signing a 4/155 deal, giving the Bulls a 25 mil discount over the 4 year term. The Bulls will need to trade Zach for this to happen, or be satisfied with a Demar S/T.

If you guys dont believe me, i guess we'll see this summer.

Who is it that is going to offer him this much? He's making 28.6 this year and he'll be 35 in august.

PurpleTrees wrote:

League Circles wrote:

PurpleTrees wrote:Demar is going for 35 to 40 mil a season. I dont know where some of you guys are getting 25 mil from. Hes a max player and would be eligible for 4/180. I see him signing a 4/155 deal, giving the Bulls a 25 mil discount over the 4 year term. The Bulls will need to trade Zach for this to happen, or be satisfied with a Demar S/T.

If you guys dont believe me, i guess we'll see this summer.

Who is it that is going to offer him this much? He's making 28.6 this year and he'll be 35 in august.

Any NBA team capable of executing a sign and trade.

Demar is getting paid this summer, whether by the Bulls or another team. Some of you guys will just have to accept it.

MrSparkle wrote:I also think we're deluding ourselves if we think Demar resigns for anything less than a short max (1-2y) or a $120M/4 style deal. Not only is he proving his on-court value, he's also boosting his stock as a locker-room leader and mentor.

Someone explain to me why Detroit, for example, doesn't offer Demar a max contract? All it takes is one desperate team, and they are obviously tired of losing.

I am pretty concerned about such a deal, but at the same time, I don't know what else you do. Letting Demar walk and resigning Pat to more money makes my stomach churn.

PurpleTrees wrote:Demar is going for 35 to 40 mil a season. I dont know where some of you guys are getting 25 mil from. Hes a max player and would be eligible for 4/180. I see him signing a 4/155 deal, giving the Bulls a 25 mil discount over the 4 year term. The Bulls will need to trade Zach for this to happen, or be satisfied with a Demar S/T.

If you guys dont believe me, i guess we'll see this summer.

2weekswithpay wrote:

MrSparkle wrote:I also think we're deluding ourselves if we think Demar resigns for anything less than a short max (1-2y) or a $120M/4 style deal. Not only is he proving his on-court value, he's also boosting his stock as a locker-room leader and mentor.

Someone explain to me why Detroit, for example, doesn't offer Demar a max contract? All it takes is one desperate team, and they are obviously tired of losing.

I am pretty concerned about such a deal, but at the same time, I don't know what else you do. Letting Demar walk and resigning Pat to more money makes my stomach churn.

Detroit needs shooting, they cannot afford to put another non-3pt threat next to Cade, Duren, and Thompson. The worst thing a bad team can do is overpay for a 35 year old who may continue to decline and is a questionable fit.

If somebody wants to pay Demar that much then let him walk.