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Rose2Boozer wrote:It'll be interesting to see how well Holland measurements out. I have a feeling he'll be a tad over 6'6 in shoes.
Jcool0 wrote:Rose2Boozer wrote:It'll be interesting to see how well Holland measurements out. I have a feeling he'll be a tad over 6'6 in shoes.
"6’8 athletic wing … Good size and length for position with a 6’10.5 wingspan … Strong frame."
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/ronald-holland/
Rose2Boozer wrote:It'll be interesting to see how well Holland measurements out. I have a feeling he'll be a tad over 6'6 in shoes.
TheSuzerain wrote:I like Topic, Holland, and Edey. Also Sheppard but he's a weird fit for us given his overlap with Coby. Topic/Holland/Sheppard seem top 10 bound though if I had to predict.
Furphy would be great a bit later in the draft. Also Cam Spencer.
Hoping we flip Caruso (or other players) for another pick and walk away with a couple of these dudes.
2weekswithpay wrote:Jcool0 wrote:Rose2Boozer wrote:It'll be interesting to see how well Holland measurements out. I have a feeling he'll be a tad over 6'6 in shoes.
"6’8 athletic wing … Good size and length for position with a 6’10.5 wingspan … Strong frame."
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/ronald-holland/
I'd probably wait until the combine since Holland's height is all over the place.
DuckIII wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:I like Topic, Holland, and Edey. Also Sheppard but he's a weird fit for us given his overlap with Coby. Topic/Holland/Sheppard seem top 10 bound though if I had to predict.
Furphy would be great a bit later in the draft. Also Cam Spencer.
Hoping we flip Caruso (or other players) for another pick and walk away with a couple of these dudes.
I’m with you. Not necessarily these specific players in particular, but as odd as it may seem given this draft’s reputation I’m definitely down with trading for a second pick in the back half of the first round.
My guess, however, is if we make a draft trade it will be to trade out of the first round completely. If AK thinks he’s going to resign DDR, I see him trading our pick for established help.
jnrjr79 wrote:DuckIII wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:I like Topic, Holland, and Edey. Also Sheppard but he's a weird fit for us given his overlap with Coby. Topic/Holland/Sheppard seem top 10 bound though if I had to predict.
Furphy would be great a bit later in the draft. Also Cam Spencer.
Hoping we flip Caruso (or other players) for another pick and walk away with a couple of these dudes.
I’m with you. Not necessarily these specific players in particular, but as odd as it may seem given this draft’s reputation I’m definitely down with trading for a second pick in the back half of the first round.
My guess, however, is if we make a draft trade it will be to trade out of the first round completely. If AK thinks he’s going to resign DDR, I see him trading our pick for established help.
It's hilarious, because I've seen any number of rebuild ideas on the board of late that make me think "we didn't strike when the time was right, but it's still salvageable," but then of course we know the Bulls aren't going to do any of those things and will probably try to do something exactly like you suggest here.
It's going to be a 2-year extension for DeMar, trade Zach into someone's cap space, and surround DeMar with some ok veteran help that will keep the team as fringe playoff contenders. Oh, and pray that Lonzo miraculously becomes his old self.
Jcool0 wrote:Draft isn't bad talent wise. There are what 6 elite upside players? And maybe 8-10 All-Star caliber players in this draft? But the problem is the NBA likes 3-4 sure things in a draft and this doesn't really have one. The likelihood of 8 of the 10 picks busting is the same as 3 of the 10 making multiple All Star games.
Jcool0 wrote:Draft isn't bad talent wise. There are what 6 elite upside players? And maybe 8-10 All-Star caliber players in this draft? But the problem is the NBA likes 3-4 sure things in a draft and this doesn't really have one. The likelihood of 8 of the 10 picks busting is the same as 3 of the 10 making multiple All Star games. Isaiah Collier was a top 3 recruit, had a decent season as USC and might not go in the top 15. Yet he has the upside that he could end up being the best player in this draft. Not sure how you find that guy in a sea of question marks.
MrSparkle wrote:Jcool0 wrote:Draft isn't bad talent wise. There are what 6 elite upside players? And maybe 8-10 All-Star caliber players in this draft? But the problem is the NBA likes 3-4 sure things in a draft and this doesn't really have one. The likelihood of 8 of the 10 picks busting is the same as 3 of the 10 making multiple All Star games. Isaiah Collier was a top 3 recruit, had a decent season as USC and might not go in the top 15. Yet he has the upside that he could end up being the best player in this draft. Not sure how you find that guy in a sea of question marks.
Yeah, well like I said, IMO the draft boards are just screwy. Why are Holland, Collier, Dillingham even going past 10 in some mocks? These are top-10 picks in this draft.
And I don't think Risacher is top-5 material. Nor Clingan. Nor Reed. Nor Knecht. I'd maybe take Reed at the 8-10, but I don't think he's such a sure-bet. 3P specialists have great value in the league, but not nearly as much if they're undersized and not explosive or crafty with the dribble. You're banking on some major playmaking development. Have to ask seriously what the difference is between him and Quickley.
And why the heck is Edey 25-30 on some boards? I get it - high chance he can't start in the NBA, but there's also a high chance he's a simple double-double machine with shooting upside. THere's just no reason a team couldn't live with those 50/50 odds closer to the middle of the 1st round. Worst case scenario honestly, is he just runs into injuries with the defensive demands of the NBA.
Here's where I'm at right now:
1 Sarr
2 Topic
3-5 Holland/Castle/Dillingham
6-10 Matas/Collier/Reed/Risacher/Clingan
11-14 Knecht/Cody/Walter/Edey
After that it's a Wild West. I think Salaun could be the worst pick ever, though I see a lot of potential. I think there are several bench role-players with fringe starter potential (Kyle, Silva) and some good bench prospects ala Pritchard/Podz/Ayo/LaVert (Carter, Kolek, McCain, Shannon, Missi).
I'd sleep the best at night knowing Bulls come away with Sarr or Topic. Yay for 2% odds.
Muzbar wrote:Rose2Boozer wrote:It'll be interesting to see how well Holland measurements out. I have a feeling he'll be a tad over 6'6 in shoes.
If he drops to 11 and the Bulls take him, I certainly wouldn't be upset. I feel like after the combine and workouts he'll be probably top 5 though.
Rose2Boozer wrote:Muzbar wrote:Rose2Boozer wrote:It'll be interesting to see how well Holland measurements out. I have a feeling he'll be a tad over 6'6 in shoes.
If he drops to 11 and the Bulls take him, I certainly wouldn't be upset. I feel like after the combine and workouts he'll be probably top 5 though.
I don't want Holland. He's high usage and can't shoot. Dude has a high motor, but I'd rather some other team pray his shot develops. I would hope AK passes on Ron Holland.
Personally, I'm still on the Tyler Smith bandwagon. A lot has to go wrong for Smith not to hit(No Diddy).
MrSparkle wrote:I'm having a hard time seeing Holland drop to #11. His shooting percents stink but his combo of handles, aggressiveness and athleticism are easily the best in this draft.
Feel like this kooky draft is gonna clear up. The top-10 on most boards has been way off IMO, and I predict Bulls will again be about 1-2 spots away from the better prospect (Ala Terry and Eason/Williams). In a "bad" draft, if you have a guy with elite steal numbers and rapid growth potential, and he drops, then you happily take a former top-3 HS prospect (who's healthy) at #5-10. #11 is kind of a pipe dream for that type of recruit, unless the draft is stacked. Even Mayo, Deng , they dropped, but they didn't drop that much. MPJ did but only because he had BACK SURGERY.
Do have to bake in that the Ignite were a unanimously bad development program. On the bright side, they gave him the playmaking keys for development. Last thing we need is another 3P clanker, but at this point, let's be honest - the Bulls need to upgrade everything, including wing defense.
Dan Z wrote:League Circles wrote:How would people feel about the possibility of our pick (likely #11) not being in the rotation next year? Like, would that upset you?
On a team this mediocre without much really young good talent, I think I would be. I'm not saying whoever we draft should be given an entitlement rotation role, nor that we should draft for need. But I am saying we should make it a priority that whoever that is gets a good shot at a rotation role, which is another reason we need to try to approach the FA period and the draft having already decreased our rotation lock guys at the 1-2-3 spots.
I like to presume that we'll get boxed into a decision to have to pay Demar and/or Patrick a bit more than we want to avoid losing then for nothing, which we'll likely avoid. So with those 2 assumed in the fold, we have 6 guys already at the 1-3 spots in Patrick, Demar, Caruso, Zach, Ayo and Coby. That means if BPA at #11 is a 1, 2 or 3, we're already putting ourselves in a poor asset-management position if we need to draft a 3rd stringer at #11. Only really good teams should/could have the luxury of waiting to see what a #11 can do. I'm just talking a consistent 10-20 mpg role.
And I didn't mention Ball or Carter. But Ball stands a pretty good chance of at least giving it a try. Carter has a bad contract that will become highly negative if he's indefinitely benched.
So how do you guys feel about the prospect of seeing a #11 pick rot in a 3rd string role next season? Problem or not.
Zach, Caruso, Coby or Ayo simply gotta go in a deal before the draft.
I'd be ok with that as long as the player they draft shows potential (more than Terry/Phillps). If he looks like someone who can be a future starter (maybe more) then thats good for #11.
I'm also someone who would like them to pick Dalton Knecht if he's available, so take my two cents for whatever its worth.
I definitely don't want them to draft another guy who spends most of his time in the G League and looks like he might not even be an NBA player for very long (I guess Denzel is an example).
sco wrote:Dan Z wrote:League Circles wrote:How would people feel about the possibility of our pick (likely #11) not being in the rotation next year? Like, would that upset you?
On a team this mediocre without much really young good talent, I think I would be. I'm not saying whoever we draft should be given an entitlement rotation role, nor that we should draft for need. But I am saying we should make it a priority that whoever that is gets a good shot at a rotation role, which is another reason we need to try to approach the FA period and the draft having already decreased our rotation lock guys at the 1-2-3 spots.
I like to presume that we'll get boxed into a decision to have to pay Demar and/or Patrick a bit more than we want to avoid losing then for nothing, which we'll likely avoid. So with those 2 assumed in the fold, we have 6 guys already at the 1-3 spots in Patrick, Demar, Caruso, Zach, Ayo and Coby. That means if BPA at #11 is a 1, 2 or 3, we're already putting ourselves in a poor asset-management position if we need to draft a 3rd stringer at #11. Only really good teams should/could have the luxury of waiting to see what a #11 can do. I'm just talking a consistent 10-20 mpg role.
And I didn't mention Ball or Carter. But Ball stands a pretty good chance of at least giving it a try. Carter has a bad contract that will become highly negative if he's indefinitely benched.
So how do you guys feel about the prospect of seeing a #11 pick rot in a 3rd string role next season? Problem or not.
Zach, Caruso, Coby or Ayo simply gotta go in a deal before the draft.
I'd be ok with that as long as the player they draft shows potential (more than Terry/Phillps). If he looks like someone who can be a future starter (maybe more) then thats good for #11.
I'm also someone who would like them to pick Dalton Knecht if he's available, so take my two cents for whatever its worth.
I definitely don't want them to draft another guy who spends most of his time in the G League and looks like he might not even be an NBA player for very long (I guess Denzel is an example).
I think that this team isn't on the cusp of a championship. As such, it shouldn't be at all the focus to get a guy who can contribute year 1 if that, in any way, if that costs us a guy who will be the better player in 3 years.
