teamCHItown wrote:Thanks for all of the feedback guys. I'm slightly taken aback that so many thought I was unhappy with Rose, and that that is why I want to trade him.
I didn't explain myself very well.
It's not about what Rose is or isn't doing for me, it's all about perceived value around the league vs perceived value to me. I want to trade the guys that I think have more value than other GMs think they do. On the Bulls, I think it's pretty obvious Rose must be our most overrated player. That doesn't mean he's not good, or that he won't be a star, or anything like that. It just means on aa simple math level, we'd be best off on the court by trading him.
I think a whole lot of the appeal of Rose is his age, and I kind of want to get away from that line of thinking. I want to get away from the 10 year plan type of thinking with this team. All I want is to watch an entrtaining product that can go to the playoffs every year and be a clear winning team. I think in today;s NBA you want to be thinking about 3 or 4 year plans, not 10. What I mean by that, sort of, is that a 27 year old is just as valuable as an equally good 23 year old, as neither one is likely to be around past their prime anyway, so why pretend like forever is forever.
We suck. Big time. Rose is quite simply our only chance, at this very moment, of getting a great player. Rose is not a great player right now and it's not even close. Yes, he VERY easily could end up being a HOF. But why wait and see if he'll be a HOFer or just a good starter when you could get an all-star for him right now (presumably). People will say it's because he is so young and has so much talent that you want to keep that. Yeah, of course you do, if he actually has that much talent. I'm not sure how much he really has, thoguh. The guy scores 15 a game and is not very good on D (although I'd say improved this year).
I've been watching the Jazz a couple times in the past week and Boozer and Deron are so good it's effing ridiculous how much better they are than Derrick Rose.
Yeah Rose could be great, but he's sure as hell not now, and no one should be surprised if he never gets much better.
I think it's damn clear to me that Rose is not a level one talent. He's just nowhere near aggresive enough. He doesn't PLAY HARD ENOUGH! To all the people who say they hate Tyrus but love Rose - I ask, what's the effing difference?
Well, I can tell you what the difference is - Rose can get you a legit all-star, NOW. In fact, Rose and a piece of **** can probably get you an allstar and another good player. Wait a couple of years and that my not be true anymore.
Disclaimer - I was OK with us trading Brand, and still don't think it was that bad at the time. So that's the kind of guy I am.
Rose is neither very entertaining nor very good. Why plan 10 years around him. How about, since we don't have an elite talent under 25, we don't plan on anyone for 10 years. Let's just get a legit all-star, a couple more pieces and try to make a 3 year run and maybe get to the conference finals or something. It's better than losing games just for some vacant stare kid who scores 15 an effing night.
I mean this when I say it - Rose should be traded for any player who is better than him and under 28 years old.
you will not get an allstar for rose. allstars are allstars because they are generally key components to their teams; why would a team trade them? you will get draft picks and bad contracts. unless you end up with the nets and knicks first round picks for next year, you don't do it. you would need to have like 2 to 3 picks in the top ten with 2 of the top 5. do that in an extremely talented draft class and you may have something. so in other words unless we can get favors and wall along with xavier henry next year, no point in trading we will only downgrade.
the reason rose doesnt look like a tier 1 player is because of his position and team. you say boozer and dwill look so awesome. keyword here: boozer and dwill. a point guard will only look as good as the talent that surrounds him. if we switch derrick to shooting guard, he would look a LOT different. he would create his own shot and create his own offense. as a point guard it is not his job to create his own offense.
derrick rose on this team is like jimmy johnson in a beamer. the driver can only do so much, eventually you need a better car
expecting derrick to look like a superstar is a catch-22. a point guard looks good when he is a great playmaker, but hes creating shots for people who cant hit them! how can a shot maker look good for people who cant hit shots
How?