Prospects and trade discussion

[Neddy]

with the rise of Austin Barnes, even with his slump, I think Yaz' days as a dodger is numbered.

where to and for whom?

Angels can really use help in catching department. Maldonado was a band-aid player and is one of the worst hitting starters among MLB catchers. we can send Grandal for a pair of prospects and perhaps a backup catcher, but the problem is, that the Angels do not have a single top 100 prospect. their first is only better projected than our 13th prospect. their pitching staff looks like dodgers JV team with all the rejects like Ricky Nolasco, Jesse Chavez, and Bud Norris. they need pitching, catching, and prospects.

so, here is my hypothetical again. the Angels are going nowhere with the team they have.
what if we offer them Grandal, Buehler, Joc, and Yadier Alvarez and ask for Trout plus a lower level prospect? it involves two elite pitching prospects with two former allstar players of their position of need who are still on cheap deals. between Stanton and Trout, the difference will be the age right now and the age when their contracts expire. the Angels gave him an extension that gradually increases in its value and currently he is still at 20 mil. from next year and for the next 3 years, it will be more than 34 mil per. they are a .500 ballclub as is, and extending their lineup while freeing up their payroll to sign another impact player can really improve their overall lineup, top to bottom. heck we can throw in Alex Verdugo as well. we have Kendall, Diaz and Heredia coming right behind him and with Toles coming back along with **** and Thompson, we have plenty of options behind Puig-Trout OF.

their lineup would look like

1 L CF Joc
2 R DH Calhoun
3 R LF Upton
4 R 1B Pujols
5 S C Grandal
6 R SS Simmons
7 L RF Verdugo
8 R 3B Escobar ( if brought back)
9 S 2B Espinosa ( if brought back)

and makes our line up to be

1 R 2B Taylor
2 L SS Seager
3 R 3B Turner
4 R CF Trout
5 L 1B Bellinger
6 R RF Puig
7 R C Barnes
8 L LF Toles

it is highly unlikely, but a decent mental exercise.

[Ranma]

Angels can really use help in catching department. Maldonado was a band-aid player and is one of the worst hitting starters among MLB catchers. we can send Grandal for a pair of prospects and perhaps a backup catcher, but the problem is, that the Angels do not have a single top 100 prospect. their first is only better projected than our 13th prospect. their pitching staff looks like dodgers JV team with all the rejects like Ricky Nolasco, Jesse Chavez, and Bud Norris. they need pitching, catching, and prospects.

so, here is my hypothetical again. the Angels are going nowhere with the team they have.
what if we offer them Grandal, Buehler, Joc, and Yadier Alvarez and ask for Trout plus a lower level prospect? it involves two elite pitching prospects with two former allstar players of their position of need who are still on cheap deals. between Stanton and Trout, the difference will be the age right now and the age when their contracts expire. the Angels gave him an extension that gradually increases in its value and currently he is still at 20 mil. from next year and for the next 3 years, it will be more than 34 mil per. they are a .500 ballclub as is, and extending their lineup while freeing up their payroll to sign another impact player can really improve their overall lineup, top to bottom. heck we can throw in Alex Verdugo as well. we have Kendall, Diaz and Heredia coming right behind him and with Toles coming back along with **** and Thompson, we have plenty of options behind Puig-Trout OF.

Jordon "Jo" Adell actually has higher upside than our 4th-rated prospect, Jeren Kendall, with both coming out of the same draft class. The difference is the quality of the respective developmental staffs for both organizations. You have to think Kendall has a higher likelihood of developing to his full upside with the Dodgers than Adell does with the Angels.

I'd practically trade anyone in our farm for Trout, but the Angels are looking to compete so I doubt that they give him up any time soon. Plus, under GM Eppler, they're starting to draft better. Moreno's inferiority complex would make it difficult to pull off a deal for him, but I'm game to go all out for Trout.

My only hesitation would be including Urias, but since he's hurt, that should deflate his current value. I hope Trout's big raise will trigger a sense of openness in trading him, but I think 2020 would be a more a realistic time for when he'll actually be available. Hopefully, we can convince the Angels that they'd be getting significantly more in trading Trout now than waiting until just before he hits free agency.

With regards to trading Grandal, I'd hope to convince the Red Sox to deal him for a package that includes Alex Scherff. Maybe he could supplant Christian Vazquez as their regular catcher or at least employ him in a platoon, but he could also be an option at DH.

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[Neddy]

Jordon "Jo" Adell actually has higher upside than our 4th-rated prospect, Jeren Kendall, with both coming out of the same draft class. The difference is the quality of the respective developmental staffs for both organizations. You have to think Kendall has a higher likelihood of developing to his full upside with the Dodgers than Adell does with the Angels.

maybe, he is hitting well right now, but he is also an 18 year old in a rookie league. Kendall is much more polished, and is currently the better player since he is a college draftee, but I understand Jo's upside. he is a high risk/ high reward type, but it is a moot point in terms of trade pieces as the Angels have no plans to trade away their only prospect asset. and I still don't think Jo is going to be better than Kendall. if Jo makes the top 100 prospect list in 2 years, then we can have this discussion again.

practically trade anyone in our farm for Trout, but the Angels are looking to compete so I doubt that they give him up any time soon. Plus, under GM Eppler, they're starting to draft better. Moreno's inferiority complex would make it difficult to pull off a deal for him, but I'm game to go all out for Trout.

yeah, I agree on this. Moreno is not going to sign off trading Trout away to a cross town rival. but it would help both ball clubs. Mike is not staying with the Angels once his contract is up unless they can prove they want to win with him and can build around him. the fact that their rotation was led by Ricky Nolasco and Jesse Chavez, and closed by Bud Norris, they are willingly making themselves as the clear inferior ball club to pick up our trash. Mike grew up a Phillies fan. they are young, and a talented bunch. they have a super low payroll right now and they can surely make a run at Mike if they develop/sign some quality starting pitchers to help their budding offense.

only hesitation would be including Urias, but since he's hurt, that should deflate his current value. I hope Trout's big raise will trigger a sense of openness in trading him, but I think 2020 would be a more a realistic time for when he'll actually be available. Hopefully, we can convince the Angels that they'd be getting significantly more in trading Trout now than waiting until just before he hits free agency.

hmmmm did you mean Buehler or Alvarez? I didn't include Urias in the trade discussion. haha I thought I was the drunk one when I posted this
BTW, I am not interested in Mike come 2020-21 as a free agent. he will be 28-ish looking for a 10 year deal. no thanks. he is a big boy roaming the center field. his body won't take it and he should stay in AL for DHing down the road. not sure if he can convert to IB in NL when we have Bellinger hopefully for the next 15 years. moving to RF won't happen if we keep and continue to develop Puig. I am interested in Mike right now, for those already contracted, his prime and possibly peak 3 years.

regards to trading Grandal, I'd hope to convince the Red Sox to deal him for a package that includes Alex Scherff. Maybe he could supplant Christian Vazquez as their regular catcher or at least employ him in a platoon, but he could also be an option at DH.

I don't know. I think the RedSox have 3 young catchers on their 40 men roster and a 17 year old super stud Flores in their minor league system. I doubt they want Grandal. even the DH thing won't work with his streaky hitting, and Hanley is probably going to take that DH role 95% of the time for the next 2 more years. I don't see a match.

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hmmmm did you mean Buehler or Alvarez? I didn't include Urias in the trade discussion. haha I thought I was the drunk one when I posted this
BTW, I am not interested in Mike come 2020-21 as a free agent. he will be 28-ish looking for a 10 year deal. no thanks. he is a big boy roaming the center field. his body won't take it and he should stay in AL for DHing down the road. not sure if he can convert to IB in NL when we have Bellinger hopefully for the next 15 years. moving to RF won't happen if we keep and continue to develop Puig. I am interested in Mike right now, for those already contracted, his prime and possibly peak 3 years.

I'd include both Buehler and Alvarez along with Verdugo for Trout if he were available right now. Buehler is the only elite prospect at the moment. Verdugo projects to be a solid-to-good pro. Alvarez has tremendously high upside but his development has stalled; he's a medium risk for high reward.

I don't know. I think the RedSox have 3 young catchers on their 40 men roster and a 17 year old super stud Flores in their minor league system. I doubt they want Grandal. even the DH thing won't work with his streaky hitting, and Hanley is probably going to take that DH role 95% of the time for the next 2 more years. I don't see a match.

You don't have to convince me about Flores but he's a few years away. The Red Sox may not be in desperate need for catching but I think they could use a veteran catcher, especially with power from the left side with that short wall in RF at Fenway Park. It is a little wishful thinking on my part given my affection for Scherff, but I want Grandal dealt for value regardless of where he goes.

[Neddy]

hmmmm did you mean Buehler or Alvarez? I didn't include Urias in the trade discussion. haha I thought I was the drunk one when I posted this
BTW, I am not interested in Mike come 2020-21 as a free agent. he will be 28-ish looking for a 10 year deal. no thanks. he is a big boy roaming the center field. his body won't take it and he should stay in AL for DHing down the road. not sure if he can convert to IB in NL when we have Bellinger hopefully for the next 15 years. moving to RF won't happen if we keep and continue to develop Puig. I am interested in Mike right now, for those already contracted, his prime and possibly peak 3 years.

I'd include both Buehler and Alvarez along with Verdugo for Trout if he were available right now. Buehler is the only elite prospect at the moment. Verdugo projects to be a solid-to-good pro. Alvarez has tremendously high upside but his development has stalled; he's a medium risk for high reward.

I don't know. I think the RedSox have 3 young catchers on their 40 men roster and a 17 year old super stud Flores in their minor league system. I doubt they want Grandal. even the DH thing won't work with his streaky hitting, and Hanley is probably going to take that DH role 95% of the time for the next 2 more years. I don't see a match.

You don't have to convince me about Flores but he's a few years away. The Red Sox may not be in desperate need for catching but I think they could use a veteran catcher, especially with power from the left side with that short wall in RF at Fenway Park. It is a little wishful thinking on my part given my affection for Scherff, but I want Grandal dealt for value regardless of where he goes.

Joc+Grandal+Verdugo+Buehler+Alvarez is not good enough for angels, huh. yup. you are probably right. but I like to fantasize about robbing other franchises of their stars... it's my version of porn.

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Bernie Pleskoff, ClubhouseCorner.com (10/29/17)

Talent on Display and More on the Way

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Given we've graduated a number of studs, being 6th is just fine with me.

You have a team like the White Sox ahead of us who just traded every star they had to beef up their farm. I'll take our scouting and development process over theirs. They can have the temporary higher ranking.

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John Sickels, MinorLeagueBall.com (11/16/17)

1) Walker Buehler, RHP, Grade A-: Age 23, first round pick in 2015 from Vanderbilt, recovered from Tommy John surgery without glitches posting 3.35 ERA with 125/31 K/BB in 89 innings between High-A, Double-A, and Triple-A, had some command issues during major league trial (7.71, 12/8 K/BB in 9 innings) but I doubt that will be a long-term problem; has retained pre-injury plus curveball while boosting fastball velocity, up to 99-100 MPH; still need to see what happens when he gets past 100 innings but his stuff looks special and he knows how to use it; possible number two starter. ETA 2018.

2) Alex Verdugo, OF, Grade B+/B: Age 21, second round pick in 2014; hit .314/.389/.436 against older competition in Triple-A with 52 walks, 50 strikeouts in 433 at-bats; six homers, 27 doubles; hit .172/.240/.304 in 23 major league at-bats; strengths are obvious: feel for hitting, eye at the plate, laser throwing arm; main question continues to revolve around home run/power projection; certainly strong enough to hit more homers but people who understand hitting mechanics better than I do seem skeptical that he’ll ever show more than average pop; given his age I would not give up on the “will show more power” idea just yet; ETA 2018.

Los Angeles Dodgers Top 20 prospects for 2018

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Kyle Glaser, Baseball America (11/20/17)

2018 Los Angeles Dodgers Top 10 Prospects


Jeffrey Paternostro, Wilson Karaman and BP Prospect Staff, Baseball Prospectus (11/20/17)

The Top Ten:

1. Walker Buehler, RHP
2. Alex Verdugo, OF
3. Yadier Alvarez, RHP
4. Keibert Ruiz, C
5. Dustin May, RHP
6. Yusniel Diaz, OF
7. Mitchell White, RHP
8. Jeren Kendall, OF
9. Gavin Lux, SS
10. Jordan Sheffield, RHP

2018 Prospects: Los Angeles Dodgers Top 10 Prospects

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No Otani, why not?


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[Neddy]

Im thinking about picking up a pair of season tickets for my local single A ball team again... it's a short season A ball so 40 home games... it's a giants' affiliate so strictly for scouting reasons, of course. single A ball season tickets, at least for a short season low A, at field level seats just a few yards away from the players, is less than $450 a piece. with 80 bucks more for full season parking, total coming under just a grand, I don't think that is all that bad.

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Jim Callis, MLB.com (11/22/17)

11. Yusniel Diaz, OF, Glendale (Dodgers): He could have solid tools across the board with the exception of his power, which is merely decent.

20. Will Smith, C, Glendale (Dodgers): Sure it's a small sample size, but Smith hit much better in the AFL (.371/.452/.565) than he has in the Minors (.238/.357/.393) and displayed athleticism and a strong arm behind the plate.

Arizona Fall League 2017: Top 25 prospects

[Quake Griffin]

Is Yusniel Diaz slowly developing into a potential All Star Caliber CF? A potential September call up in 2018?

This is somewhat of a big deal for our franchise.


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I am not getting this... AA ball season is from April to August... so kids can be called up for September "call up"s while playoff teams play on with their best players missing from the minors... at least for the teams in a playoff hunt. Mr. Fernandez played handsomely all throughout the season....


here is his entire 2017 gamelogs

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=628336#/gamelogs/R/hitting/2017/MINORS

he was even hitting when he got called up to AAA for 3 games in the middle of the season. there is something else in this story we haven't head yet. this one smells like a conspiracy spirit.

[Quake Griffin]

I agree.

I also trust our FO that something else is going on and they cut bait for the right reasons.

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