fire Don and Ned already

[Quake Griffin]

welp.

not if Quake Griff has anything to say about it.
denial is not a river in egypt.

and Ive denied it since Torre left.
praying the Angels win something like 70 games and Scioscia is fired and he can take his place with the team where it all started.

[Neddy]

don is by far the worst baseball manager i have ever seen. his handling of the bullpen, his choice of lefty-righty matchups for pinch hitting without actually looking into the particular pitcher to hitter match uu history, his signature move of a double switch at the bottom of 6th or 7th plugging in inept cruz or sellers to actually have a chance to bat in crucial juncture of the game in 8th or 9th, his blind faith leaving in beckett to get slaughtered when he is clearly out of gas, or pulling ryu with only 90 + pitch count when the guy that will replace him has nothing better to offer than korean david wells, and his reluctance to break up the smurf squad of our bench to bring up some real bat (this may be more to do with mr flanders) when a 27 year old who needs no more seasoning is batting .400 and OPS of 1.2 in SVS let alone puig or federowitz who are better than their replacements at the majors.
don was a great, HOF hitter in AL. he has no business managing a NL game. please trade him to angels for our own mike.

[Quake Griffin]

thoughts on Brad Ausmus?

finished his career here.
coached Israel in WBC.

[Neddy]

thoughts on Brad Ausmus?

finished his career here.
coached Israel in WBC.

don't forget, trey hillman our bench coach was a manager before. i would love to bring in mike scioscia before we consider ausmus, but hey brad couldn't be any worse than donnie baseball. donnie would have been a better manger if he was in AL. as a NL manager, he is beyond atrocious, worse than ozzie was for the marlins.

[Neddy]

i am tired of Don after every loss saying "well we made progress" or "we played better", "we just need our injured guys back" "tonight our guy's fastball was flat" well don it's your effing job to pull guys out early if their fastball is flat, it's your job to plug in the hole when guys go down, and it's your effing job that 8 digit salary professional ball players come into every ball game ready to play, not making progress and get better in regular season games. the man cannot manage. he does not have tommy larsoda's fire, he doesn't have jim tracy's logic, and he sure doesn't have an understanding of how to formulate a lineup or when to keep a starter in and when to pull a guy out, or how to manage the bullpen. does anyone else remember reading about how he asks his bench coach and pitching coaches for who to warm up? for god's sake that is your job, don. donnie is a nice guy, I'm sure every player loves him because he wants to be their friend and never yells at them, but this is dodger baseball. tommy made it to HOF by screaming, cussing, yelling, do whatever it took to motivate guys. and when he needed little extra more, he would go out scream at the ref or an ump and make a fool out of himself to get himself thrown out to show his players what a passion for the game looks like. has anyone seen donnie scream at an umpire yet in his managerial career?

and Ned, Ned, Ned motherloving Colletti. i know you are dating a young blonde from minnesota and busy going on cruises, but get your head out of your pretentious ass and learn some sabermetrics. your stadium diagrams and flyball charts are beyond laughable, it is pathetic. you have given us jason schmitt, andruw jones, juan pierre, juan uribe, joe blanton, shane victorino and now brandon league. you traded away carlos santana for casey blake, are you mad? or just plain stupid? i am guessing the latter. just because you made milton brandley and antonio perez trade for andre ethier deal to hang your hat on, it dosen't mean you can have these many bogeys and still keep your job. manny landed on your lap when boston and pirates were looking for a third team to move his contract, you can't take a credit for that other than being alive and answering the call when the phone rang. signing zack and ryu can be done with any GM when you have guggenheim's $$$ behind you. in fact, Ned you pornstache sporting bastard wasted a golden opportunity away by spending inefficiently, and building this upside down team with uneven distribution of talent per position. how does a team with 220 million dollar payroll that sports 8 digit salary outfielders in every spot get stuck with Luis Cruz as our starting 3B? how can we have a bench full of smurfs that swings rubber bats? how about starting the season with 8 infielders and only 3 outfielders on the roster? what's the point of trading for ramon hernandez when we have tim federowitz ready? the reasoning of sending tim down to AAA would have been to have a young catcher play every day, but now we have 3 catchers on the freaking roster... and even less playing time for tim...... why NED? because you are an incompetent moron!

fire these **** already

[Quake Griffin]

donnie isn't a good manager and I don't think he's going to get better.
I think he'll get by on our talent and we'll make the playoffs this year. We really have been injured and it's been really annoying. I have a feeling we'll get really hot in July and early August.

but he should be gone in the near future....unless he brings me a WS ring, get him out.
and I mean that, there's a bunch of goofs who get by on talent, doesn't make them good managers. Bring me the ring or go.


Leave Ned Alone btw.
Jason Schmidt was the best pitcher in baseball at one point...although I think Ned loves picking up Giants players.

He picked up Furcal...good move.
He sold Greinke on Dodgers baseball.
he drafted Kershaw
I don't think he did the Ethier deal.
He signed Mark Ellis, Cap and Harang on the low when we weren't supposed to do a damn thing last year.
Yasiel Puig
Outbid everybody for Ryu
Hell, we have a 1st baseman now and somebody worth talking about in LF.


Stan Kasten said you need to bat 60% in ur moves as a GM.
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt using that logic.

[Quake Griffin]

oh and donnie has gotten in plenty of umps face.

i think he had the most ejections last year.

[Neddy]

Leave Ned Alone btw.
Jason Schmidt was the best pitcher in baseball at one point...although I think Ned loves picking up Giants players.

He picked up Furcal...good move.
He sold Greinke on Dodgers baseball.
he drafted Kershaw
I don't think he did the Ethier deal.
He signed Mark Ellis, Cap and Harang on the low when we weren't supposed to do a damn thing last year.
Yasiel Puig
Outbid everybody for Ryu
Hell, we have a 1st baseman now and somebody worth talking about in LF.

when furcal was a free agent, we beat the next best offer by 3 mil per year. i believe we were the only team to offer him the number of years as well.
ned didn't sell nothing to greinke. zach said himself that the #1 reason for signing with the dodgers was money. we offered more than anybody else by a long shot. he said it didn't matter which team, as long as that team paid the most.
he didn't draft kershaw, he didn't even know who kershaw was coming out of high school. LOGAN WHITE drafted kershaw. logan white drafted every player you see in dodger uniform that were drafted by us since dan evans, through paul depodesta, and now despite ned colletti.
ethier deal is the only deal he can be proud of, and it was the first real move he made as our GM. in actuality, it was billy beane who was deeply interested in antonio perez and beleaguered milton bradley who was on a cheap contract and was at the time, still an underappreciated player by conventional means that had a great OPS + in sabermetrics, before every team started to implement stat-analytics to their FOs.
mark ellis was let go, too old to be wanted by too many teams, we had a hole in 2B, frank was still the owner and mark came cheaply.
again, yasiel puig signing was LOGAN WHITE, not ned flanders colletti
outbidding for ryu came from evaluation of far east scouting department that was newly hired from mariner organization, bob engle the current dodger VP and director of international scout. frank mccourt had dried up international scouting funds and Ned had ABSOLUTELY NO EFFING IDEA who ryu was, until bob engle's team who's been scouting ryu for the mariners for the entire year prior to the bidding. how do i know this? because i've been watching ryu play for the hanhwa eagles since last season on http://sports.news.naver.com to watch chan ho park pitch late at nights, and came across a ton of news articles from that site that had bob engle's mariner scouts coming to watch eagles play.
as for the "blockbuster trade" with boston, we didn't need to take on ALL of that salary just to buy gonzo. gonzo +carl or beckett along with punto would have been just fine, but we didn't need to take on both carl's and josh's monstrous contracts on top of gonzo's contracts. if we were to take on all that, we could have given up lesser prospects than including the most majorleague ready webster. we basically gave the redsox a do-over for their financial ruin and PR disaster a clean slate. carl crawford is playing well now, but remember, he is guaranteed 20+ million a year until 2017.he is already 31, and this year's performance is largely considered a "comeback" performance. he will not continue this for too many seasons and he will be 35 when starting his last year. hell, i like carl but his presence and salary makes ethier expandable as more of a "tradeable" commodity, and in order to make room for puig, one of the corner OF will have to go. this means we lose a power lefty bat in favor of athletic speedy OFer who is more fitted for table setting than collecting RBIs. as dee gordon evolves into a superspeedy leadoff, carl holds less value to us as a lefty bat than andre does.

[Neddy]

oh and donnie has gotten in plenty of umps face.

i think he had the most ejections last year.

does he ever bellybump an ump like tommy used to? does he ever kick dirt on ump like bobby valentine used to? he just goes out there, quietly, say something to ump, again, quietly, then most of the time, just jogs back to dugout. the times he does get thrown out, there is no drama. getting thrown out for the sake of being thrown out does nothing to fire up the squad. he needs to show passion. donnie has shown in his dodger managerial career, absolutely no passion that i can see.

[Quake Griffin]

what's the GM supposed to do?
thats why they have scouts everywhere and all over the place. It's an impossible job to do themselves.
as long as he's responsible and listening to his scouts, I'm fine with that.

the only deal I genuinely loath is the Casey Blake for Carlos Santana....that was just like wtf.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5TBWEH-J_Y[/youtube]
LMFAO at this....they wont run him from the game.


I don't care about Carl and Adrian's contracts.
Beckett will be off the books soon.
so will Hanley.
if we have to let go of Carl and still pay him, that's the worst case scenario.

im not going to whine about paying him money while he's not with us if we have a Puig, Peterson, Kemp outfield....theyre the billionaires...it's their money.


i agree on donnie.
just not Ned.

[Neddy]

maybe colletti's name is confusing you with your fondness of my screen name, but i assure you my brother, i don't sport his pornstache.

do you agree with Ned's spurge on brandon league was a bad move? 22.5 million base salary for the next 3 years that have enough incentives to kick it up to 33.5? that is 11.17 million per year for this scrub, although i highly doubt he can get up to his max on incentives. still, 7.5 million per year for the next 3 years when we clearly have the better option for our closer in kenley jensen? this was one of those classic Ned's WTF moves of the off season. just like when he signed schmitt when the giants' training staff had given up on the guy, or when he signed jones coming off of miserable season prior, or signing uribe, or as you mentioned, trading santana for casey, or giving away half a centry of millions to juan pierre, this was another move of his that had the writing on the wall from the get go.

as far as paying most of carl's contract to play him somewhere else, it won't happen. at least not before ethier, that is. if we do end up with dee as our leadoff, only logical place to play him is either 2nd behind dee, where carl is more comfortable but we will have two lefties to start the lineup, which will be a problem when facing a lefty, or move him down to 6th or 7th where his speed may not serve as well. i prefer to keep ethier over carl if i had the choice, so that i will have the freedom to mix up kemp-agon-hanley-ethier-puig in the fat part of the order depends on the opposing pitcher.

[Quake Griffin]

if they have an endless money pit, i don't care.
i didnt mind keeping league, i minded keeping him our closer...i don't care how much he makes as long as he buys in and accepts his role....which shouldn't be the closer. hopefully that change comes in the near future.


Ned moves I hated
- Juan Uribe
- Casey Blake
- trading James McDonald for Octavio Dotel then dealing Dotel for nothing.

the thing is...every GM has misses...and bad ones...even the ones who win.
he never had money to work with, international scouts etc. etc.
you can say Logan made all those drafts...that's fine.
but since we've had the money...he hasn't really hit a wrong button that allows those scouts to shine:
Seager
Puig
Ryu
Paco
how many kids did we just sign out of the dominican?
he's got us going in the right direction man

i'll be curious to see how he handles Hanley's return. Dee is making a case to stay our starting SS and I'm proud of him.

[Kilroy]

It's hard to pin everything on Ned and Don, but it's hard to find another target too.
This team just seems to have forgotten how to come together and win ball games. There's no identity or chemistry there yet... Sometimes that takes time, but sometimes it takes a roster move or two or a GM shakeup. You obviously can't do both...
So if they are going to shakeup Mgmt, do it now while there's still time to recover and make some roster moves too...
On every great team there's a player or two who provide the character and identity of the team. Who's our 'personality guy?' It should be Kemp but he doesn't seem to be able to pull it off. We need to find that soon.

[Neddy]

Don strikes again.

just this series against the braves, i have noticed

#1. keeping paco in to bat against justin upton, a lefty killing power RHB. results in a grandslam.
#2. taking out ryu with only 5 innings pitched, in favor of a PH who has been hitting much worse than ryu who just had another RBI single earlier
#3. taking capuano out in the 8th when he wasn't losing velocity or his control. the man just gave up a single, it happens. keep him in there and take him out once the inning is over. the man he should have taken out before the obvious happened was beckett when he went scoreless past 8th. about a month ago. everybody can see beckett was done, except don.
#4. constantly pushing out young relievers who are struggling with runners on base. either take out the starters before an inning starts to give fresh start to our relievers, or keep the starters in a little more when they give up a runner on base after an out or two already.
#5. odd lineups, almost everyday. i would move crawford ahead of matt with gonzo behind him to give us better chance. dee-carl-matt-gonzo-van slyke/ethier-AJ will give us better power in the fat part of the lineup, even if it's rare, once dee gets on our bigbats will go to work, and carl will see more fast ball to work with, increase his chance at getting on base or drive in dee, thus make things a bit easier for non slugging matt to see more fastballs with two rabbits in front of him

[Quake Griffin]

don is terrible man.

and the worst thing about every game s...new lineup and new defense.
how are we ever going to get any continuity?

every day someone gets a rest...someone has to sit out of the lineup.
this is bullish**.


this loss today isn't on don though.
Kenley shouldn't have walked McCann.
whatever.

[Quake Griffin]

if this continues...I wouldn't be surprised if Don doesn't make it through the year.

he's completely blowing it.
and the health is looking like less and less of an excuse.

[Quake Griffin]

Eric Byrnes talking about how he feels bad for Donnie B.

I dont.
Punto at 3rd.
Dee at SS
Mark Ellis at 2B
Crawford LF
Matt CF
Andre RF.

Dee
Crawford
Matt
Adrian

as the top 4.
we have 3 in Milwaukee....I'll be driving down to the game tomorrow to catch Clay...might drive back down tuesday to catch Zack.

DO NOT CHANGE THIS....WE HAVE A DAY OFF!
THERE'S NO NEED TO GIVE ANY REST....get some freakin continuity.

[Neddy]

if this continues...I wouldn't be surprised if Don doesn't make it through the year.

he's completely blowing it.
and the health is looking like less and less of an excuse.

we don't even need to worry about looking for donnie's replacement as we already have tom wallach and trey hillman in our dodger blue.

and i miss kim ng. she should have replaced ned when we had the chance. promoting logan white would be a fine move as well.

[Neddy]

Eric Byrnes talking about how he feels bad for Donnie B.

I dont.
Punto at 3rd.
Dee at SS
Mark Ellis at 2B
Crawford LF
Matt CF
Andre RF.

Dee
Crawford
Matt
Adrian

as the top 4.
we have 3 in Milwaukee....I'll be driving down to the game tomorrow to catch Clay...might drive back down tuesday to catch Zack.

DO NOT CHANGE THIS....WE HAVE A DAY OFF!
THERE'S NO NEED TO GIVE ANY REST....get some freakin continuity.

well have fun man. Im sure we can at least 1 out of those 2 games.

[Quake Griffin]

with pro far coming up, we should trade for Kinsler.

he's better than Ellis.
sorry Mark.