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axeman23 wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:
That ship may have sailed unless Bronny starts showing something at USC that makes him draftable.

Man, Cavs used 1st round picks on Windler and KPJ under this regime.

And the franchise as a whole has used 1st rounders on Anthony Bennett, Luke Jackson, Karasev, Eyenga, Diop, and Trajan Langdon.

I think the Cavs will be quite alright drafting junior if he gives even a slight increase in the odds of seeing a 3rd LeBron stint.

So many years where the draft was either the highlight of our year, or we were shopping for Lebron's running-mate/another piece to the puzzle, and almost perpetual disappointment...

Me, every draft day:

JujitsuFlip wrote:

axeman23 wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:Man, Cavs used 1st round picks on Windler and KPJ under this regime.

And the franchise as a whole has used 1st rounders on Anthony Bennett, Luke Jackson, Karasev, Eyenga, Diop, and Trajan Langdon.

I think the Cavs will be quite alright drafting junior if he gives even a slight increase in the odds of seeing a 3rd LeBron stint.

So many years where the draft was either the highlight of our year, or we were shopping for Lebron's running-mate/another piece to the puzzle, and almost perpetual disappointment...

Me, every draft day:

I was so excited for the 2012 draft, to only come away with Waiters and Zeller was disappointing. I actually did end up getting both their autographs though lol

KuruptedCav wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:
I doubt he (or LeBron) wants his professional career to be that guy who sits on the bench and cheers for his Dad.

If he can't establish himself, he should get an education and enjoy his college days.

Bronny is already a millionaire, his net worth is $10.5 million. He has no need for a college degree.

If his dad wants him to enter the draft, he will. If he's sitting there when the Cavs are on the clock, it would be a wise selection.

Just throwing this out there, Grant Gilbert and Bronny James have a solid relationship. If he legit enjoys basketball, it’s not unreasonable for a start to his career with the Cavs.

I also think that if LeBron is going to dip into ownership, Cavs are an obvious choice considering his roots and the mantle turning over from Dan to Grant.

Bronny may or may not be a NBA caliber talent. I have no idea. I also have no problem burning a 2nd round pick outside of top-40 on relationships. A first, even a late one, needs justifiable talent. Which he may or may not have.


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JujitsuFlip wrote:

axeman23 wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:Man, Cavs used 1st round picks on Windler and KPJ under this regime.

And the franchise as a whole has used 1st rounders on Anthony Bennett, Luke Jackson, Karasev, Eyenga, Diop, and Trajan Langdon.

I think the Cavs will be quite alright drafting junior if he gives even a slight increase in the odds of seeing a 3rd LeBron stint.

So many years where the draft was either the highlight of our year, or we were shopping for Lebron's running-mate/another piece to the puzzle, and almost perpetual disappointment...

Me, every draft day:

I was so excited for the 2012 draft, to only come away with Waiters and Zeller was disappointing. I actually did end up getting both their autographs though lol

KuruptedCav wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:

axeman23 wrote:
So many years where the draft was either the highlight of our year, or we were shopping for Lebron's running-mate/another piece to the puzzle, and almost perpetual disappointment...

Me, every draft day:

I was so excited for the 2012 draft, to only come away with Waiters and Zeller was disappointing. I actually did end up getting both their autographs though lol

2012 was painful. I wanted Harrison Barnes so bad at 4, Waiters, Waiters, really? If he’s the next Wade, why wasn’t he starting? When the deal was coming for the Dallas pick, I just knew it was Sullinger and then it came in Tyler Zeller and I was like who? I was thinking Sullinger, Melo, Ezeli.


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KuruptedCav wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:

axeman23 wrote:
So many years where the draft was either the highlight of our year, or we were shopping for Lebron's running-mate/another piece to the puzzle, and almost perpetual disappointment...

Me, every draft day:

I was so excited for the 2012 draft, to only come away with Waiters and Zeller was disappointing. I actually did end up getting both their autographs though lol

2012 was painful. I wanted Harrison Barnes so bad at 4, Waiters, Waiters, really? If he’s the next Wade, why wasn’t he starting? When the deal was coming for the Dallas pick, I just knew it was Sullinger and then it came in Tyler Zeller and I was like who? I was thinking Sullinger, Melo, Ezeli.


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mcfly1204 wrote:I thought Waiters was an interesting pick because he had that dog in him. Apparently that dog in him was ironically his demise...

JujitsuFlip wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:Man, Cavs used 1st round picks on Windler and KPJ under this regime.

And the franchise as a whole has used 1st rounders on Anthony Bennett, Luke Jackson, Karasev, Eyenga, Diop, and Trajan Langdon.

I think the Cavs will be quite alright drafting junior if he gives even a slight increase in the odds of seeing a 3rd LeBron stint.

I doubt he (or LeBron) wants his professional career to be that guy who sits on the bench and cheers for his Dad.

If he can't establish himself, he should get an education and enjoy his college days.

Bronny is already a millionaire, his net worth is $10.5 million. He has no need for a college degree.

If his dad wants him to enter the draft, he will. If he's sitting there when the Cavs are on the clock, it would be a wise selection.

JonFromVA wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:
I doubt he (or LeBron) wants his professional career to be that guy who sits on the bench and cheers for his Dad.

If he can't establish himself, he should get an education and enjoy his college days.

Bronny is already a millionaire, his net worth is $10.5 million. He has no need for a college degree.

If his dad wants him to enter the draft, he will. If he's sitting there when the Cavs are on the clock, it would be a wise selection.

Establishing a future career and paycheck is only one goal of going to College.

If his college career ends with the same 5 & 2 on 36%/24% as now, I'd fully expect him to go un-drafted especially after what his Dad said last about his goal of playing with him.

mcfly1204 wrote:I thought Waiters was an interesting pick because he had that dog in him. Apparently that dog in him was ironically his demise...

JujitsuFlip wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:Bronny is already a millionaire, his net worth is $10.5 million. He has no need for a college degree.

If his dad wants him to enter the draft, he will. If he's sitting there when the Cavs are on the clock, it would be a wise selection.

Establishing a future career and paycheck is only one goal of going to College.

If his college career ends with the same 5 & 2 on 36%/24% as now, I'd fully expect him to go un-drafted especially after what his Dad said last about his goal of playing with him.

I have 2 degrees, so you're preaching to the choir. Sure it makes ya more well rounded as a human but when you're a millionaire, that doesn't truly matter. Yeah you can party it up and live the college lifestyle, again, when you're a millionaire, you can do that well into your 40s, if you desire.

Idc how terrible the kid's stats are, if his name is in the draft, someone will burn a pick to lock him up for 2 years, it's an easy gamble. Late 1sts are already gambles look at Windler and KPJ. The only difference is this gamble could potetinally bring the GOAT to your franchise for a 3rd time, well worth it.

As jbk pointed out Cavs are stockpiled on young talent in the pipeline, they have it coming outta their ears.

JonFromVA wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:
Establishing a future career and paycheck is only one goal of going to College.

If his college career ends with the same 5 & 2 on 36%/24% as now, I'd fully expect him to go un-drafted especially after what his Dad said last about his goal of playing with him.

I have 2 degrees, so you're preaching to the choir. Sure it makes ya more well rounded as a human but when you're a millionaire, that doesn't truly matter. Yeah you can party it up and live the college lifestyle, again, when you're a millionaire, you can do that well into your 40s, if you desire.

Idc how terrible the kid's stats are, if his name is in the draft, someone will burn a pick to lock him up for 2 years, it's an easy gamble. Late 1sts are already gambles look at Windler and KPJ. The only difference is this gamble could potetinally bring the GOAT to your franchise for a 3rd time, well worth it.

As jbk pointed out Cavs are stockpiled on young talent in the pipeline, they have it coming outta their ears.

Blowing your Daddy's fortune isn't a career and the true value of College is to help young people learn how to think about problems, overcome them, and work with others on a common goal. They aren't supposed to be degree factories, but specific colleges do have different focuses and some literally are degree factories.

Hopefully Bronny is free to follow whatever he loves, but even if that's basketball, there's a lot more to it than shooting a ball in the rim and for him ... managing wealth is always going to be a biggy even if the topic doesn't excite him.

JujitsuFlip wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:I have 2 degrees, so you're preaching to the choir. Sure it makes ya more well rounded as a human but when you're a millionaire, that doesn't truly matter. Yeah you can party it up and live the college lifestyle, again, when you're a millionaire, you can do that well into your 40s, if you desire.

Idc how terrible the kid's stats are, if his name is in the draft, someone will burn a pick to lock him up for 2 years, it's an easy gamble. Late 1sts are already gambles look at Windler and KPJ. The only difference is this gamble could potetinally bring the GOAT to your franchise for a 3rd time, well worth it.

As jbk pointed out Cavs are stockpiled on young talent in the pipeline, they have it coming outta their ears.

Blowing your Daddy's fortune isn't a career and the true value of College is to help young people learn how to think about problems, overcome them, and work with others on a common goal. They aren't supposed to be degree factories, but specific colleges do have different focuses and some literally are degree factories.

Hopefully Bronny is free to follow whatever he loves, but even if that's basketball, there's a lot more to it than shooting a ball in the rim and for him ... managing wealth is always going to be a biggy even if the topic doesn't excite him.

He doesn't have to blow daddy's fortune, Bronny has $10 million of his own. He never has to work a day in his life.

JonFromVA wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:
Blowing your Daddy's fortune isn't a career and the true value of College is to help young people learn how to think about problems, overcome them, and work with others on a common goal. They aren't supposed to be degree factories, but specific colleges do have different focuses and some literally are degree factories.

Hopefully Bronny is free to follow whatever he loves, but even if that's basketball, there's a lot more to it than shooting a ball in the rim and for him ... managing wealth is always going to be a biggy even if the topic doesn't excite him.

He doesn't have to blow daddy's fortune, Bronny has $10 million of his own. He never has to work a day in his life.

Sure, he could. He could also lose it all in pretty short order if he doesn't learn how to manage it let alone grow it.

So again, even if it's not his passion he should learn something about managing wealth and then having something rewarding to do besides spending Daddy's money is something a lot of people find fulfilling.

JujitsuFlip wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:
He doesn't have to blow daddy's fortune, Bronny has $10 million of his own. He never has to work a day in his life.

Sure, he could. He could also lose it all in pretty short order if he doesn't learn how to manage it let alone grow it.

So again, even if it's not his passion he should learn something about managing wealth and then having something rewarding to do besides spending Daddy's money is something a lot of people find fulfilling.

His dad is a billionaire, I'm sure he will be connected with the proper resources to grow the $10 million.

Also, he's just going to continue to sign endorsement deals.

All of it is moot, if the guy enters his name in the draft, he's a 1st round pick, is the only point I'm making.

JonFromVA wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:I thought Waiters was an interesting pick because he had that dog in him. Apparently that dog in him was ironically his demise...

I always suspected there was a reason Boeheim was starting freshmen over Dion that we just chose to ignore.

JonFromVA wrote:

JujitsuFlip wrote:

JonFromVA wrote:
Sure, he could. He could also lose it all in pretty short order if he doesn't learn how to manage it let alone grow it.

So again, even if it's not his passion he should learn something about managing wealth and then having something rewarding to do besides spending Daddy's money is something a lot of people find fulfilling.

His dad is a billionaire, I'm sure he will be connected with the proper resources to grow the $10 million.

Also, he's just going to continue to sign endorsement deals.

All of it is moot, if the guy enters his name in the draft, he's a 1st round pick, is the only point I'm making.

And like I've said he a) if he's smart he won't enter the draft until he's ready, and b) if he doesn't improve, I doubt he's drafted.

I suppose we shall see, but I remind you ... LeBron backed down from the suggestion that he was willing to just go sign with whatever team signs his Son.

jbk1234 wrote:

Crunch 99 wrote:Not being a regular Cavs watcher, I've probably got the Cavs all wrong, but were it not for your worry about whether Mitchell will re-sign, it seems like move would be to trade Garland for a good, two-way guard/small forward.

Looks to me like Mitchell is ready to run the team without sharing point guard duties with Garland. The Cavs have a plus 12.6/game with Mitchell on the floor during this recent 18 game stretch playing without Garland. I am skeptical that the undersized Mitchell/Garland starting backcourt, who fare pretty well playing together during the regular season, are a winning backcourt in the playoffs when defense becomes a big factor. JMO.

With Beasely as the primary defender, he is, but if the other team assigns OG or Derrick White to him, or if the other team doubles him to get the ball out of his hands, it starts to look very different. If Mitchell extends, and if the Cavs were to trade Garland for a two-way wing, then that two-way wing better have the ability to run an offense.

JonFromVA wrote:If anything this stretch points to the value of the redundancy of Mitchell/Garland and Allen/Mobley ... because just imagine 2 of them were traded and then 2 of them got hurt.

Crunch 99 wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:

Crunch 99 wrote:Not being a regular Cavs watcher, I've probably got the Cavs all wrong, but were it not for your worry about whether Mitchell will re-sign, it seems like move would be to trade Garland for a good, two-way guard/small forward.

Looks to me like Mitchell is ready to run the team without sharing point guard duties with Garland. The Cavs have a plus 12.6/game with Mitchell on the floor during this recent 18 game stretch playing without Garland. I am skeptical that the undersized Mitchell/Garland starting backcourt, who fare pretty well playing together during the regular season, are a winning backcourt in the playoffs when defense becomes a big factor. JMO.

With Beasely as the primary defender, he is, but if the other team assigns OG or Derrick White to him, or if the other team doubles him to get the ball out of his hands, it starts to look very different. If Mitchell extends, and if the Cavs were to trade Garland for a two-way wing, then that two-way wing better have the ability to run an offense.

JonFromVA wrote:If anything this stretch points to the value of the redundancy of Mitchell/Garland and Allen/Mobley ... because just imagine 2 of them were traded and then 2 of them got hurt.

Redundancy is a nice, regular season luxury, but having a pair of your redundants be the two highest paid players on the team and eat up 41% of the payroll is not a championship formula imo. (Maybe I will have to eat my words. Lol.) As soon a Mitchell signs an extension, I would expect the Cavs to trade Garland for more complimentary player(s).

Mitchell continues to take his game to higher levels. During this latest stretch without Garland, Mitchell averaged 28 ppg with 7.9 ast, 4.9 rebs, 1.9 stl , 2.9 tovs and 16.6 netrtg while the Cavs went 12-3. His season stats are better than Dame's this season, and better than Garland's, especially on advanced stats. Mitchell should have got the start over Dame this All Star game. I don't doubt OG can give Mitchell some trouble, or the combination of White and Holiday, but those guys can make life difficult for almost every starting point guard.

Mitchell v Dame
https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2024&year_max=2024&player_id1=mitchdo01&player_id2=lillada01
Mitchell v Garland
https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2024&year_max=2024&player_id1=mitchdo01&player_id2=garlada01