Man, are Helton and Beltre really HOF players? Feel like Hall of Really Good types. I don’t have a big issue with Mauer although after 30 he kind of fell off a bit. But those late 2000s/early 2010s he was a monster at the plate and really good behind the dish.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:31 am
by ReasonablySober
Beltre's in the upper, upper tier of all-time 3B. Easy HOF choice.
It Looks Like Five Teams Will Have Their Games Exclusively Aired on Amazon in 2024 Season. It looks like the Detroit Tigers, Milwaukee Brewers, Tampa Bay Rays, Kansas City Royals and Miami Marlins will have their games streamed exclusively on Amazon Prime in 2024, according to the New York Post.
Curious how this will be handled. Extra cost to get? Also wonder if these games for Amazon teams will be part of the MLB Package (non local teams).
Exclusively? The reports I read were that games will still be on their current platforms (cable and Fubo) in addition to Amazon and there will be an extra charge on Amazon and the same local restrictions will apply.
I’m struggling to find details on how the arrangement would work. If they move to Amazon Prime and leave current platforms, I may be done with DirecTV Stream. If going to be on both, great. I actually like DTV Stream but a big reason for having is Bucks/Brewers and enjoy getting the Wild games too even though Rangers are my team and get via ESPN+.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 2:57 pm
by Ron Swanson
Thunder Muscle wrote:Man, are Helton and Beltre really HOF players? Feel like Hall of Really Good types. I don’t have a big issue with Mauer although after 30 he kind of fell off a bit. But those late 2000s/early 2010s he was a monster at the plate and really good behind the dish.
Huh? 3,000+ hits, nearly 500-homers, and being one of the best defensive 3rd basemen in his era seems like a pretty easy HoF case.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:17 pm
by Kerb Hohl
About the only thing with Beltre is he seemed to be pretty clearly attached to all of the PED stuff if I recall correctly. I don't have strong opinions on the matter (I think Bonds, etc. should be in but I don't care that much) - but it's annoying that guys that probably were just as culpable just skating through as if there is a difference.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:50 pm
by Thunder Muscle
ReasonablySober wrote:Beltre's in the upper, upper tier of all-time 3B. Easy HOF choice.
Not going to lie, I did not realize Beltre’s numbers were as good as they were. Definitely worthy upon further review.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:54 pm
by Kerb Hohl
Helton is more interesting because there's the whole Coors Field thing. His numbers of .287/.386/.469 on the road are solid and even the analytics guys will argue that's still good enough...but that stat line isn't that good for the era. I think most of it was pre-humidor Coors era where the splits were asinine for most guys.
I guess it's comparable to Beltre's, but with Beltre you get the defense and longevity with it.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:03 pm
by ReasonablySober
Beltre's numbers are great, but with him you also got maybe 2nd best defensive 3B of all-time.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:08 pm
by humanrefutation
I think all of those Rockies candidates should be getting the same treatment as the PEDers. Either you ignore the advantages and put them all in or keep them all out. There's no reason why Todd Helton should get in but A-Rod and Manny and Bonds shouldn't.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:39 pm
by WeekapaugGroove
humanrefutation wrote:I think all of those Rockies candidates should be getting the same treatment as the PEDers. Either you ignore the advantages and put them all in or keep them all out. There's no reason why Todd Helton should get in but A-Rod and Manny and Bonds shouldn't.
It's ironic that the writers keep these guys out to 'preserve the sanctity' or some bull yet as someone in their 40s I have no interest in going because they've left out all the best players I watched growing up.
IMO just create a 90's wing and put up a sign talking about how guys were using but the league wasn't testing and generally looked the other way. 'Shrug our bad, numbers are probably inflated but here's all the best players'
Wow. The Angelos out of Baltimore is such a cause for celebration. Feel really good for that fan base.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:56 pm
by ReasonablySober
Let’s step back for a second. All of this has to do with watching games in-market. If you’re out of market, nothing changes: you sign up for MLB.tv or MLB Extra Innings, and that’s that.
If the plan goes through, not too much would change in-market either, at least not in the short term.
Say you’re a Cardinals fan living in St. Louis or the territory comprising the St. Louis overall market. There are two sets of rights to think about: linear/TV rights, and direct-to-consumer/streaming rights.
The linear rights are what bring you games when you sign up for cable or satellite or a digital service such as fubo. So if you get cable, and your cable provider carries a Bally channel, those are the linear rights at work.
Under this plan, Diamond would continue to broadcast games over TV. So long as you get the relevant Bally channel inside your market, you’d be good to go.
Then, the streaming rights govern whether consumers have another access point — a way to get games online without signing up for cable TV/satellite/fubo.
To that end, Diamond presently offers Bally Sports Plus, bundling together the teams for which it also holds the digital rights. For $20 a month today, you can stream your team’s games inside the market, so long as your team is carried by a Bally station.
With the Amazon-Diamond plan, the Bally name would go away entirely, so the package would be called something new. And the price would almost certainly increase. But the equivalent of the Bally Sports Plus offering would exist, and be marketed by one of the most powerful streaming services out there: Prime.
But it wouldn’t be included with the base price of a Prime subscription — it would require an additional fee, similar to signing up for Max or Showtime through Prime.
“This is part of channels, where you buy channels,” said Patrick Crakes of Crakes Media. “Same thing where you can buy Paramount Plus there.”
It’s not clear whether Prime would be the exclusive way to access the package, a person briefed on Diamond’s plans said. A press release said Amazon would be Diamond’s “primary” streaming partner, so it seems possible other options might exist.
Sounds like the Amazon deal is simply going to mean higher costs for consumers. This **** sucks.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:50 pm
by MickeyDavis
Spoiler:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Let’s step back for a second. All of this has to do with watching games in-market. If you’re out of market, nothing changes: you sign up for MLB.tv or MLB Extra Innings, and that’s that.
If the plan goes through, not too much would change in-market either, at least not in the short term.
Say you’re a Cardinals fan living in St. Louis or the territory comprising the St. Louis overall market. There are two sets of rights to think about: linear/TV rights, and direct-to-consumer/streaming rights.
The linear rights are what bring you games when you sign up for cable or satellite or a digital service such as fubo. So if you get cable, and your cable provider carries a Bally channel, those are the linear rights at work.
Under this plan, Diamond would continue to broadcast games over TV. So long as you get the relevant Bally channel inside your market, you’d be good to go.
Then, the streaming rights govern whether consumers have another access point — a way to get games online without signing up for cable TV/satellite/fubo.
To that end, Diamond presently offers Bally Sports Plus, bundling together the teams for which it also holds the digital rights. For $20 a month today, you can stream your team’s games inside the market, so long as your team is carried by a Bally station.
With the Amazon-Diamond plan, the Bally name would go away entirely, so the package would be called something new. And the price would almost certainly increase. But the equivalent of the Bally Sports Plus offering would exist, and be marketed by one of the most powerful streaming services out there: Prime.
But it wouldn’t be included with the base price of a Prime subscription — it would require an additional fee, similar to signing up for Max or Showtime through Prime.
“This is part of channels, where you buy channels,” said Patrick Crakes of Crakes Media. “Same thing where you can buy Paramount Plus there.”
It’s not clear whether Prime would be the exclusive way to access the package, a person briefed on Diamond’s plans said. A press release said Amazon would be Diamond’s “primary” streaming partner, so it seems possible other options might exist.
Sounds like the Amazon deal is simply going to mean higher costs for consumers. This **** sucks.
I've heard the Bally's app sucks so at least streamers would have the Amazon option, which I would assume would be more stable, even at a higher cost.
That article mentioned a possible June start date if everything is approved.
The article also didn't talk about NBA, I believe the Bucks deal with Diamond expires at the end of the year, which is why they are experimenting with some OTA broadcasts this season. So going forward it's very possible the Brewers will be on cable as they are now plus Amazon and the Bucks will be OTA and on their own streamer starting in October.
The whole article was interesting for anyone who gets The Athletic.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:23 pm
by LUKE23
So are the Brewers still on Ballys for 2024? It’s so hard to keep track of all this ****.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:05 pm
by Kerb Hohl
LUKE23 wrote:So are the Brewers still on Ballys for 2024? It’s so hard to keep track of all this ****.
If you have a cable carrier that has Bally's or Fubo - Yes.
If you don't want to go that route or don't have the carrier, you can add a package on Amazon Prime for an add-on fee ($30/month? Total guess).
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:14 pm
by MickeyDavis
Kerb Hohl wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:So are the Brewers still on Ballys for 2024? It’s so hard to keep track of all this ****.
If you have a cable carrier that has Bally's or Fubo - Yes.
If you don't want to go that route or don't have the carrier, you can add a package on Amazon Prime for an add-on fee ($30/month? Total guess).
I'm guessing $25-$30 a month. But I'm also guessing it won't be available at the start of the season, but maybe. I was hoping both Bucks and Brewers would make this move but it's becoming more likely that the Bucks are going to do their own thing. It would be sweet if they follow the Suns model, every game OTA locally and then also available via streaming for everyone not in MKE.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:29 pm
by ReasonablySober
MickeyDavis wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:So are the Brewers still on Ballys for 2024? It’s so hard to keep track of all this ****.
If you have a cable carrier that has Bally's or Fubo - Yes.
If you don't want to go that route or don't have the carrier, you can add a package on Amazon Prime for an add-on fee ($30/month? Total guess).
I'm guessing $25-$30 a month. But I'm also guessing it won't be available at the start of the season, but maybe. I was hoping both Bucks and Brewers would make this move but it's becoming more likely that the Bucks are going to do their own thing. It would be sweet if they follow the Suns model, every game OTA locally and then also available via streaming for everyone not in MKE.
If you want to get in early your could sign up for a year's worth of Ballys now. Averages out to under $16 a month.
Re: 2024 ATL Thread - Hader to Astros - 5/$95M
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:38 pm
by MickeyDavis
ReasonablySober wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote: If you have a cable carrier that has Bally's or Fubo - Yes.
If you don't want to go that route or don't have the carrier, you can add a package on Amazon Prime for an add-on fee ($30/month? Total guess).
I'm guessing $25-$30 a month. But I'm also guessing it won't be available at the start of the season, but maybe. I was hoping both Bucks and Brewers would make this move but it's becoming more likely that the Bucks are going to do their own thing. It would be sweet if they follow the Suns model, every game OTA locally and then also available via streaming for everyone not in MKE.
If you want to get in early your could sign up for a year's worth of Ballys now. Averages out to under $16 a month.
Yeah I'm wondering how that all plays out. Will the Ballys app co-exist when Amazon begins or will Ballys current customers just be switched over to Amazon. Locking in early may work out well. But I've heard so many bad things about the Bally's app I don't want to be locked into that garbage.