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Post#1901 » by Bob8 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:37 pm

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arkuo wrote:Mikal Bridges would be too expensive and out of reach. What Dallas needs to keep tabs on in Brandon Ingram and his possible departure from New Orleans. Perfect 3rd star after Luka and Kyrie.


If they keep Luka/Kyrie they need a 2 way player or defensive specialist, not BI. Herb Jones would be the NO guy I'd want, but dont see a path to get him.


ESPN just reported that the Pels need to make a decision between Zion and BI. And that might come this summer. THJ (expiring) + Green + Hardy might be enough?


For Zion? :lol:
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Post#1902 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:04 pm

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arkuo wrote:Mikal Bridges would be too expensive and out of reach. What Dallas needs to keep tabs on in Brandon Ingram and his possible departure from New Orleans. Perfect 3rd star after Luka and Kyrie.


If they keep Luka/Kyrie they need a 2 way player or defensive specialist, not BI. Herb Jones would be the NO guy I'd want, but dont see a path to get him.


Agree.

Ingram is a Kuzma 2.0
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Post#1903 » by daoneandonly » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:23 pm

arkuo wrote:
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arkuo wrote:Mikal Bridges would be too expensive and out of reach. What Dallas needs to keep tabs on in Brandon Ingram and his possible departure from New Orleans. Perfect 3rd star after Luka and Kyrie.


If they keep Luka/Kyrie they need a 2 way player or defensive specialist, not BI. Herb Jones would be the NO guy I'd want, but dont see a path to get him.


ESPN just reported that the Pels need to make a decision between Zion and BI. And that might come this summer. THJ (expiring) + Green + Hardy might be enough?


You have to consider why the other team would do it too. THJ while expiring then, can still be a chucker at times. Green sucks every kind of suck, and Hardy at this point is just a guy who doesnt have a high basketball IQ
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Post#1904 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:09 am

Players should be evaluated with the consideration of their salary.
I dont agree Green sucks. Green at SG-SF with proper big men looks better than playing with an undersized rotation. And even if he makes mistakes, misses some shots, he still puts in a lot of energy and the overall trend is going up for him to become a starter-level player.

If Green was able to play at KCP level from age 23 then he would command a bigger deal. His deal represents what he produces IMO.

PS: I have not stated Green is playing good in this text. Please read it carefully.
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Post#1905 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:19 am

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arkuo wrote:Mikal Bridges would be too expensive and out of reach. What Dallas needs to keep tabs on in Brandon Ingram and his possible departure from New Orleans. Perfect 3rd star after Luka and Kyrie.


If they keep Luka/Kyrie they need a 2 way player or defensive specialist, not BI. Herb Jones would be the NO guy I'd want, but dont see a path to get him.

That is true. In general, investing in Kyrie while having Luka but no front-court was not a good decision. Mavs paid for the mistake of missing the playoffs and wasting a year.

Last year I would never think we could get Lively caliber rookie, but hey lots of teams dropped the ball and we drafted Lively. I think Gafford trade was also a nice one. So somehow, Mavs got two good centers for a low salary. I cant believe some other team did not go for Gafford. Why didn't Suns try for him? No picks left?

Team still misses elite SF-PF. PJ Washington isn't an elite athlete for PF, and him playing in a non-playoff team for many years probably created bad habits. Some of his mistakes are telling that he wasn't playing in intensive competition for a while but he may adjust in next months. Lack of elite SF-PF problem should not be that big until the playoffs. Do I want to face Clippers or Nuggets? Probably not. There is also Kyrie's injury asterisk. I am not sure if he reached and played a healthy 2nd round in a while. Since Cavs, he did not have any deep playoff runs (8 years ago?)

Anyway, the trade deadline has passed so now supporting the current team. Mavs will need some injury luck, favorable matchups and fair refs but I think now we finally have a complete basketball team.
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Post#1906 » by Michaellam1987 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:13 am

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arkuo wrote:Mikal Bridges would be too expensive and out of reach. What Dallas needs to keep tabs on in Brandon Ingram and his possible departure from New Orleans. Perfect 3rd star after Luka and Kyrie.


If they keep Luka/Kyrie they need a 2 way player or defensive specialist, not BI. Herb Jones would be the NO guy I'd want, but dont see a path to get him.

That is true. In general, investing in Kyrie while having Luka but no front-court was not a good decision. Mavs paid for the mistake of missing the playoffs and wasting a year.

Last year I would never think we could get Lively caliber rookie, but hey lots of teams dropped the ball and we drafted Lively. I think Gafford trade was also a nice one. So somehow, Mavs got two good centers for a low salary. I cant believe some other team did not go for Gafford. Why didn't Suns try for him? No picks left?

Team still misses elite SF-PF. PJ Washington isn't an elite athlete for PF, and him playing in a non-playoff team for many years probably created bad habits. Some of his mistakes are telling that he wasn't playing in intensive competition for a while but he may adjust in next months. Lack of elite SF-PF problem should not be that big until the playoffs. Do I want to face Clippers or Nuggets? Probably not. There is also Kyrie's injury asterisk. I am not sure if he reached and played a healthy 2nd round in a while. Since Cavs, he did not have any deep playoff runs (8 years ago?)

Anyway, the trade deadline has passed so now supporting the current team. Mavs will need some injury luck, favorable matchups and fair refs but I think now we finally have a complete basketball team.


After the addition of PJ and Gafford, we should start to do some bully ball against team playing small ball (exactly what other team is doing to us before, just in opposite way).

If everyone can stay healthy, defensively we have Green/Exum for elite guard like Ant/Booker/SGA/Fox; PJ/DJJ for elite forward like Ingram/PG/Kawhi/LBJ; Gafford/Lively to protect the paint and handle elite big man like AD/KAT/Sabonis. Maxi as the back up mobile big to support whenever needed. This can actually be our foundation defensively.

Offensively, we have Luka/Kai as cornstone, Hardy/THJ as shooter, together with the support of aforementioned 7 players, we should be good to go, just need some more time to develop better team chemistry.
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Post#1907 » by Mavrelous » Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:38 am

There are no perfect teams out there, well, except the Celtics, who have a 6 man unit of 4 all NBA level player + all defense guy + a vet big, and they have a good bench guard in Pritchard.
If PJW is integrated successfully in the remaining 30 games, can shoot 37-38% from 3, and Maxi remains at this level, you've got what you need, all that's missing is health and chemistry.
The team has the needed mixture of athleticism, length, rim protection, rebounding, they are lacking some shooting, and they are very deficient in chemistry and familiarity, but the general concept of the team is very good.
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Post#1908 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:02 am

I just thinking... Can we trade another pair of role player for another superstar? Can Nico make another Kyrie miracle?

Maybe Powell+THJ+ 1 FRP for PG13? Probably not... Miracles happen one time in a lifetime.
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Post#1909 » by Teffer10 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:11 am

41Dirk41 wrote:I just thinking... Can we trade another pair of role player for another superstar? Can Nico make another Kyrie miracle?

Maybe Powell+THJ+ 1 FRP for PG13? Probably not... Miracles happen one time in a lifetime.

I have a feeling Mavs will be targeting Wiggins in the offseason.
He checks all of the boxes physically.
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Post#1910 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:19 am

Mavrelous wrote:There are no perfect teams out there, well, except the Celtics, who have a 6 man unit of 4 all NBA level player + all defense guy + a vet big, and they have a good bench guard in Pritchard.
If PJW is integrated successfully in the remaining 30 games, can shoot 37-38% from 3, and Maxi remains at this level, you've got what you need, all that's missing is health and chemistry.
The team has the needed mixture of athleticism, length, rim protection, rebounding, they are lacking some shooting, and they are very deficient in chemistry and familiarity, but the general concept of the team is very good.

I'd definitely add Denver to that list. They have great offense, good defense, decent coaching and great playoff experience. They are playing with poise.

Murray-Jokic is probably playing the best two man game in the league, and most dependable one for playoffs. They are both clutch players and know how to operate in playoffs. They have pretty good size, height around those two. KCP-Gordon are both plus defenders. MPJ is not necessarily great defender but he has the physical tools. 6'10" with 7'0" wingspan at SF. In comparison, our SF rotation is playing DJJ (listed 6'5 b.ref) who is on vet min contract.

I think Mavs just become a respectable basketball team again since the WCF team. Making playoffs, then making to the next rounds will be our challenge. I'd like to be optimistic but DJJ, PJ Washington, Gafford are not playoff proven. Kyrie-Maxi injury risks are there. The team still needs to gel. I believe in Lively, Gafford but not so much about wing players.
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Post#1911 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:26 am

41Dirk41 wrote:I just thinking... Can we trade another pair of role player for another superstar? Can Nico make another Kyrie miracle?

Maybe Powell+THJ+ 1 FRP for PG13? Probably not... Miracles happen one time in a lifetime.

I am not sure if this works for salaries. PG is earning $45m/year. Probably need to send Maxi and PJ Washington as well. Then again, there is no motive for Clippers to send him to us. Theoretically, Mavs could've resigned Brunson and then also send the picks for Kyrie trade, and this year's trades for a bigger package to acquire someone like PG for 4 first-round picks and swaps. Luka's best fit as 2nd star should be a 2-way frontcourt player imo.

Kyrie was expiring, he is known as toxic, there were so few teams willing to give him new max deal. In addition to that, Nets FO didn't want to trade Kyrie to a desired destination (LA), so the deal wasn't a big surprise. Nets definitely **** our 1 year with that trade.
Blessing in disguise. Mavs' Kyrie experiment failed so badly, so we tanked and got Lively. DFS+Dinwiddie+picks=Lively+Kyrie sounds like a good deal except we throw 1 season away.
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Post#1912 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:32 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:
ozwizard8 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
If they keep Luka/Kyrie they need a 2 way player or defensive specialist, not BI. Herb Jones would be the NO guy I'd want, but dont see a path to get him.

That is true. In general, investing in Kyrie while having Luka but no front-court was not a good decision. Mavs paid for the mistake of missing the playoffs and wasting a year.

Last year I would never think we could get Lively caliber rookie, but hey lots of teams dropped the ball and we drafted Lively. I think Gafford trade was also a nice one. So somehow, Mavs got two good centers for a low salary. I cant believe some other team did not go for Gafford. Why didn't Suns try for him? No picks left?

Team still misses elite SF-PF. PJ Washington isn't an elite athlete for PF, and him playing in a non-playoff team for many years probably created bad habits. Some of his mistakes are telling that he wasn't playing in intensive competition for a while but he may adjust in next months. Lack of elite SF-PF problem should not be that big until the playoffs. Do I want to face Clippers or Nuggets? Probably not. There is also Kyrie's injury asterisk. I am not sure if he reached and played a healthy 2nd round in a while. Since Cavs, he did not have any deep playoff runs (8 years ago?)

Anyway, the trade deadline has passed so now supporting the current team. Mavs will need some injury luck, favorable matchups and fair refs but I think now we finally have a complete basketball team.


After the addition of PJ and Gafford, we should start to do some bully ball against team playing small ball (exactly what other team is doing to us before, just in opposite way).

If everyone can stay healthy, defensively we have Green/Exum for elite guard like Ant/Booker/SGA/Fox; PJ/DJJ for elite forward like Ingram/PG/Kawhi/LBJ; Gafford/Lively to protect the paint and handle elite big man like AD/KAT/Sabonis. Maxi as the back up mobile big to support whenever needed. This can actually be our foundation defensively.

Offensively, we have Luka/Kai as cornstone, Hardy/THJ as shooter, together with the support of aforementioned 7 players, we should be good to go, just need some more time to develop better team chemistry.

I agree that Mavs looks like a decent basketball team now as we can rebound and defend with the right rotations.
I liked Kidd's usage of those new acquisitions so far. I like to have 3 plus defenders around Kyrie-Luka. Other than some special matchups I dont like to see Kyrie-Luka-THJ together too long. Its just bad defense, subpar rebounding with those 3 together. Diminishing returns on offense.

Its just I am not sure how to defend Kawhi-PG with PJ-DJJ. It sounds too optimistic. Compared to 3 years ago, now Lively is there and Gafford at backup. So having a rim-protecting center can make things harder for Kawhi-PG. Still they are well experienced, and also have mid range game. Considering Harden also plays good, it will be triple threat so we cant expect too too much from our centers. I can easily see Kawhi getting to FT line for easy jumper as he pushes DJJ or PJ.

I mean we have Luka Magic. Even with injured KP, and Boban minutes, he pushed the earlier series to game 7. With Luka Magic everything is possible if you have decent defense and rebounding.
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Post#1913 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:53 am

ozwizard8 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:I just thinking... Can we trade another pair of role player for another superstar? Can Nico make another Kyrie miracle?

Maybe Powell+THJ+ 1 FRP for PG13? Probably not... Miracles happen one time in a lifetime.

I am not sure if this works for salaries. PG is earning $45m/year. Probably need to send Maxi and PJ Washington as well. Then again, there is no motive for Clippers to send him to us. Theoretically, Mavs could've resigned Brunson and then also send the picks for Kyrie trade, and this year's trades for a bigger package to acquire someone like PG for 4 first-round picks and swaps. Luka's best fit as 2nd star should be a 2-way frontcourt player imo.

Kyrie was expiring, he is known as toxic, there were so few teams willing to give him new max deal. In addition to that, Nets FO didn't want to trade Kyrie to a desired destination (LA), so the deal wasn't a big surprise. Nets definitely **** our 1 year with that trade.
Blessing in disguise. Mavs' Kyrie experiment failed so badly, so we tanked and got Lively. DFS+Dinwiddie+picks=Lively+Kyrie sounds like a good deal except we throw 1 season away.


From DFS+Dinwiddie+ 1FRP to Irving+Lively= Nico GM of the year hands down. Deal with it my friend.
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Post#1914 » by Oscar9992 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:01 am

Just found on Twitter... Stats tell a different story

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Post#1915 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:12 am

Oscar9992 wrote:Just found on Twitter... Stats tell a different story

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How many FTs??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#1916 » by BeiBeau » Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:31 pm

In games where Dallas has won or tied the rebounding battle this season they are 18-6. Which is a 62 win pace.

Those 6 losses are to elite teams as well, Celtics, Buck twice, Pelicans, Kings, and T-Wolves.

Dallas is 14-17 in games where they have lost the rebounding battle which is a 37 win pace.

And all of the worst loses of the season are in those 17 games.

Why did Dallas lose to a Pelicans team who sat Zion and BI? Pelicans out rebounded us by 10. Why did we turn around and beat them the next game when they had their stars back? We won the rebounding battle by 5. Why did Dallas lose to a Cavs team without Mitchell, Garland, or Mobley this season? Sure Kyrie was out, sure we shot like **** from 3, but we also got out rebounded by 20.

In basketball you can control certain things, effort on defense, shot selection(looking at you Tim), boxing out and grabbing rebounds. You cannot always control your shooting percentage on any given night though. Great teams are great because they do the little things.

All that to say thing adding Gafford, the best rebounder on the team, and replacing Grant Williams with PJ who is twice as good of a rebounder is huge. It gives Dallas more size to fight on the boards and as Gafford says, take out the garbage.
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Post#1917 » by Mavrelous » Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:35 pm

BeiBeau wrote:In games where Dallas has won or tied the rebounding battle this season they are 18-6. Which is a 62 win pace.

Those 6 losses are to elite teams as well, Celtics, Buck twice, Pelicans, Kings, and T-Wolves.

I will not get over these 2 Bucks losses, both were driven by horrible refereeing.
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Post#1918 » by BeiBeau » Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:32 pm

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BeiBeau wrote:In games where Dallas has won or tied the rebounding battle this season they are 18-6. Which is a 62 win pace.

Those 6 losses are to elite teams as well, Celtics, Buck twice, Pelicans, Kings, and T-Wolves.

I will not get over these 2 Bucks losses, both were driven by horrible refereeing.


That 2nd bucks game was only like one of 5 games I missed this season. But the 1st one was for sure one of the worst ref games I’ve seen for any team all season. That and the Lakers game where Exum hit like 5 3s in the 4th to win the game.
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Post#1919 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:33 pm

BeiBeau wrote:In games where Dallas has won or tied the rebounding battle this season they are 18-6. Which is a 62 win pace.

Those 6 losses are to elite teams as well, Celtics, Buck twice, Pelicans, Kings, and T-Wolves.

Dallas is 14-17 in games where they have lost the rebounding battle which is a 37 win pace.

And all of the worst loses of the season are in those 17 games.

Why did Dallas lose to a Pelicans team who sat Zion and BI? Pelicans out rebounded us by 10. Why did we turn around and beat them the next game when they had their stars back? We won the rebounding battle by 5. Why did Dallas lose to a Cavs team without Mitchell, Garland, or Mobley this season? Sure Kyrie was out, sure we shot like **** from 3, but we also got out rebounded by 20.

In basketball you can control certain things, effort on defense, shot selection(looking at you Tim), boxing out and grabbing rebounds. You cannot always control your shooting percentage on any given night though. Great teams are great because they do the little things.

All that to say thing adding Gafford, the best rebounder on the team, and replacing Grant Williams with PJ who is twice as good of a rebounder is huge. It gives Dallas more size to fight on the boards and as Gafford says, take out the garbage.


That's the point.

After the TDL trades we can stay in the game despite our 3s don't fall and win the game in 4th with Luka and Kyrie.
Gafford energy is contagious and PJ is an underrated defender for what i've seen in those games.
They played in lose teams all career, we will see if they fit in a winning squad with maybe limited minutes and possessions.
For sure Luka is very happy to having them :lol:

G-Will is not bad as he played last games here, he is the classic MLE guy so just a hustler role player with some good shooting games sometimes (he played great with the Hornets lately) but Kidd played him backup C.
His departure was good for both parts.
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Post#1920 » by BeiBeau » Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:53 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:In games where Dallas has won or tied the rebounding battle this season they are 18-6. Which is a 62 win pace.

Those 6 losses are to elite teams as well, Celtics, Buck twice, Pelicans, Kings, and T-Wolves.

Dallas is 14-17 in games where they have lost the rebounding battle which is a 37 win pace.

And all of the worst loses of the season are in those 17 games.

Why did Dallas lose to a Pelicans team who sat Zion and BI? Pelicans out rebounded us by 10. Why did we turn around and beat them the next game when they had their stars back? We won the rebounding battle by 5. Why did Dallas lose to a Cavs team without Mitchell, Garland, or Mobley this season? Sure Kyrie was out, sure we shot like **** from 3, but we also got out rebounded by 20.

In basketball you can control certain things, effort on defense, shot selection(looking at you Tim), boxing out and grabbing rebounds. You cannot always control your shooting percentage on any given night though. Great teams are great because they do the little things.

All that to say thing adding Gafford, the best rebounder on the team, and replacing Grant Williams with PJ who is twice as good of a rebounder is huge. It gives Dallas more size to fight on the boards and as Gafford says, take out the garbage.


That's the point.

After the TDL trades we can stay in the game despite our 3s don't fall and win the game in 4th with Luka and Kyrie.
Gafford energy is contagious and PJ is an underrated defender for what i've seen in those games.
They played in lose teams all career, we will see if they fit in a winning squad with maybe limited minutes and possessions.
For sure Luka is very happy to having them :lol:

G-Will is not bad as he played last games here, he is the classic MLE guy so just a hustler role player with some good shooting games sometimes (he played great with the Hornets lately) but Kidd played him backup C.
His departure was good for both parts.


Nekias Duncan from the Dunker’s Spot said he heard PJ Washington was so excited to get traded to a winning team that he left the restaurant he was at when he found out.

Defense takes energy, it cost your body, and requires consistent effort and focus. If a team you play on is gonna win 20 games whether you play good defense or not why would you?

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