Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread

[ozwizard8]

Brunson playing victim but failed to mention his daddy, his agent and the Knicks GM are all related and had a pre agreed handshake deal. NBA investigated and they got fined for doing so. It's a different story if the investigation turned out different. But it was proven by the NBA that the Knicks and the Brunson family had COLLUDED. Playing victim doesn't erase that fact.

Now people are comparing Kyrie vs Jalen on who would your team rather have, you have to edit that to Kyrie vs. Jalen and Rick Brunson because any team he goes to, his daddy is going to get a free ride and a job. You don't want a stage father sticking his nose up in all contract negotiations asking for extra freebies to be thrown in.

What I see in Mavs fans and including this board, I think coping mechanism is getting weaker by day. It was a huge huge **** by Mavs. Cuban's 2nd jersey #13 fiasco.

If your current employer not resigning you, and clearly disrespecting you, then your agent/dad etc will go around and talk for sure. Its not like Brunson gave a promise to Knicks and declined Mavs offers for 1 year.

Tim Hardaway Jr got his second deal from Knicks after a good season where he was in the MIP and 6MOY shortlists. His agents probably had talks with his former team Knicks. Its the job of your agent, and if you have former player dad, then there is always some connections. Mavs were okay to trade with such a player and keep him around because this is not necessarily ethical conflict.

So trying to blame Brunson for looking after him is a weak excuse. Its really on Cuban-Nico and former GM.

[41Dirk41]

Yes but Kyrie is way better than Brunson, the Knicks game was so clear.
Of course JB at 15M per year would be a bargain but you have to see the great picture... Are Kyrie+Lively better than Brunson+DFS+Dinwiddie+1FRP?

It's not even close, Dinwiddie is a waived guy... DFS is a mediocre overrated no wanted guy and the FRP a mistery box.

Probably Nico and the Mavs were probably very lucky too in this process because the failure was really close but now our situation is great.

If you're putting Lively in the debate, then just imagine how better Mavs would have been, if they tanked all 5 Luka's years here.

Putting Lively in the debate is bonkers.
- Twolves was managed horribly, they couldn't make anything with Butler-Wiggins-KAT. They sucked so much they got Antony Edwards!
- Spurs made a poor Kawhi deal which eventually led them to get Wenbanyama. Is it good now?

If Mavs kept the WCF team and traded 3 first-round picks and swaps, we could've got a pretty competitive roster for last and this year.

Anyway, its been 1.5 years so not relevant to today's team that much. It was just a popular discussion on twitter/reddit etc so I brought the video. Kinda a reminder for Cuban's new Nash mistake and the bad 1st year of Niko.

Trying to judge NBA franchise like NBA 2K is bonkers my friend... Brunson was a fiasco for sure and nobody negate it so if you add him to the equation i can add Lively for sure.
You are totally wrong about the year after WCF, that team would have collapsed anyway mostly with the Luka injuries after ASG. We did not wasted a year, that year was yet wasted after Brunson fiasco.

However after that failure, Kyrie and the majority of other moves are very good.
The result is under your eyes.
No other words needed, it's a fact.
I know you are fighting a battle against Irving but i don't care, you feel free to continue.
At least you stopped regretting DFS and Dinwiddie because even you understand that they are just mediocre role players

[daoneandonly]

Don't think anyone needs to dwell on Nash. The team went to 2 championships without him, and more importantly, won one. That would have never happened with his zero D (other than drinking) here. He was a solid above average PG here, barely ever sniffed double digit assists. The combo of Dantoni and Cubans refusal to pay motivating him to finally hit the gym and put the drinks down made him an MVP. But that mvp still has no rings

[arkuo]

Brunson playing victim but failed to mention his daddy, his agent and the Knicks GM are all related and had a pre agreed handshake deal. NBA investigated and they got fined for doing so. It's a different story if the investigation turned out different. But it was proven by the NBA that the Knicks and the Brunson family had COLLUDED. Playing victim doesn't erase that fact.

Now people are comparing Kyrie vs Jalen on who would your team rather have, you have to edit that to Kyrie vs. Jalen and Rick Brunson because any team he goes to, his daddy is going to get a free ride and a job. You don't want a stage father sticking his nose up in all contract negotiations asking for extra freebies to be thrown in.

What I see in Mavs fans and including this board, I think coping mechanism is getting weaker by day. It was a huge huge **** by Mavs. Cuban's 2nd jersey #13 fiasco.

If your current employer not resigning you, and clearly disrespecting you, then your agent/dad etc will go around and talk for sure. Its not like Brunson gave a promise to Knicks and declined Mavs offers for 1 year.

Tim Hardaway Jr got his second deal from Knicks after a good season where he was in the MIP and 6MOY shortlists. His agents probably had talks with his former team Knicks. Its the job of your agent, and if you have former player dad, then there is always some connections. Mavs were okay to trade with such a player and keep him around because this is not necessarily ethical conflict.

So trying to blame Brunson for looking after him is a weak excuse. Its really on Cuban-Nico and former GM.

It's an internet message board. We can see things differently.

Cuban was never good at re-signing people who tend to ask for more. The NBA's investigation found the Knicks guilty of tampering - details of their convos were certainly not made public but everyone knows there was collusion involved. Daddy GM signs Brunson to a bigger deal, his team gets the player, his son gets a hefty commission off said signing, player's dad gets a day job and a free ride. "Employer not resigning" and "disrespecting" were narratives the Brunson family put out there. Doesn't change the fact that the NBA caught them? They did catch them, right? So no matter how much they spin it, it doesn't become right all of a sudden.

They got caught. They got fined. There's no way to defend that.

[Oscar9992]

Jalen Brunson wante to extend his contract with Mavs for $55 mil. for 4 years, but got rejected twice!

$55 mil. in 4 years = less than $14 mil. per season. That's less than Tim Hardaway ($17,897,728) & PJ Washington ($$16,847,826) are making per year! Kyrie for example is on $40,000,000 per year max salary.

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[Oscar9992]

Brunson playing victim but failed to mention his daddy, his agent and the Knicks GM are all related and had a pre agreed handshake deal. NBA investigated and they got fined for doing so. It's a different story if the investigation turned out different. But it was proven by the NBA that the Knicks and the Brunson family had COLLUDED. Playing victim doesn't erase that fact.

Now people are comparing Kyrie vs Jalen on who would your team rather have, you have to edit that to Kyrie vs. Jalen and Rick Brunson because any team he goes to, his daddy is going to get a free ride and a job. You don't want a stage father sticking his nose up in all contract negotiations asking for extra freebies to be thrown in.

What I see in Mavs fans and including this board, I think coping mechanism is getting weaker by day. It was a huge huge **** by Mavs. Cuban's 2nd jersey #13 fiasco.

If your current employer not resigning you, and clearly disrespecting you, then your agent/dad etc will go around and talk for sure. Its not like Brunson gave a promise to Knicks and declined Mavs offers for 1 year.

Tim Hardaway Jr got his second deal from Knicks after a good season where he was in the MIP and 6MOY shortlists. His agents probably had talks with his former team Knicks. Its the job of your agent, and if you have former player dad, then there is always some connections. Mavs were okay to trade with such a player and keep him around because this is not necessarily ethical conflict.

So trying to blame Brunson for looking after him is a weak excuse. Its really on Cuban-Nico and former GM.

It's an internet message board. We can see things differently.

Cuban was never good at re-signing people who tend to ask for more. The NBA's investigation found the Knicks guilty of tampering - details of their convos were certainly not made public but everyone knows there was collusion involved. Daddy GM signs Brunson to a bigger deal, his team gets the player, his son gets a hefty commission off said signing, player's dad gets a day job and a free ride. "Employer not resigning" and "disrespecting" were narratives the Brunson family put out there. Doesn't change the fact that the NBA caught them? They did catch them, right? So no matter how much they spin it, it doesn't become right all of a sudden.

They got caught. They got fined. There's no way to defend that.

Brunson wanted to renew with Mavs for 4 years for $55 mil. but got rejected.

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[arkuo]

What I see in Mavs fans and including this board, I think coping mechanism is getting weaker by day. It was a huge huge **** by Mavs. Cuban's 2nd jersey #13 fiasco.

If your current employer not resigning you, and clearly disrespecting you, then your agent/dad etc will go around and talk for sure. Its not like Brunson gave a promise to Knicks and declined Mavs offers for 1 year.

Tim Hardaway Jr got his second deal from Knicks after a good season where he was in the MIP and 6MOY shortlists. His agents probably had talks with his former team Knicks. Its the job of your agent, and if you have former player dad, then there is always some connections. Mavs were okay to trade with such a player and keep him around because this is not necessarily ethical conflict.

So trying to blame Brunson for looking after him is a weak excuse. Its really on Cuban-Nico and former GM.

It's an internet message board. We can see things differently.

Cuban was never good at re-signing people who tend to ask for more. The NBA's investigation found the Knicks guilty of tampering - details of their convos were certainly not made public but everyone knows there was collusion involved. Daddy GM signs Brunson to a bigger deal, his team gets the player, his son gets a hefty commission off said signing, player's dad gets a day job and a free ride. "Employer not resigning" and "disrespecting" were narratives the Brunson family put out there. Doesn't change the fact that the NBA caught them? They did catch them, right? So no matter how much they spin it, it doesn't become right all of a sudden.

They got caught. They got fined. There's no way to defend that.

Brunson wanted to renew with Mavs for 4 years for $55 mil. but got rejected.

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This is according to him. It's his story, so he's definitely the main character who did good and was oppressed.

Wihout going into the merits of Brunson as a player, and without diving into the pros and cons of his contract, the simple question is did the NBA catch them colluding? Yes. Did the NBA fine them for doing so? Yes.

So whatever Brunson says today is just irrelevant. He's just trying to appear as the good guy but got caught. A wrong is a wrong no matter how much good PR and spin you put into it.

[41Dirk41]

It's an internet message board. We can see things differently.

Cuban was never good at re-signing people who tend to ask for more. The NBA's investigation found the Knicks guilty of tampering - details of their convos were certainly not made public but everyone knows there was collusion involved. Daddy GM signs Brunson to a bigger deal, his team gets the player, his son gets a hefty commission off said signing, player's dad gets a day job and a free ride. "Employer not resigning" and "disrespecting" were narratives the Brunson family put out there. Doesn't change the fact that the NBA caught them? They did catch them, right? So no matter how much they spin it, it doesn't become right all of a sudden.

They got caught. They got fined. There's no way to defend that.

Brunson wanted to renew with Mavs for 4 years for $55 mil. but got rejected.

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This is according to him. It's his story, so he's definitely the main character who did good and was oppressed.

Wihout going into the merits of Brunson as a player, and without diving into the pros and cons of his contract, the simple question is did the NBA catch them colluding? Yes. Did the NBA fine them for doing so? Yes.

So whatever Brunson says today is just irrelevant. He's just trying to appear as the good guy but got caught. A wrong is a wrong no matter how much good PR and spin you put into it.

Agree.

However he was unplayble in PO after those PO series against the Clips, he stepped up after the ASG 2022.
The biggest Cuban and Nelson fault was not giving him a rookie contract with the RFA in final year.

Brunson pushed hard for his former Villanova friends, i'm ok without them. We are better than the Knicks.
Rick Brunson is a cancer.

[morgue41]

The truth is there is Zero percent chance that Brunson wanted 4-55 at the deadline and the Mavs turned it down. He was already the 2nd best player on the team by then, everybody knew he was gonna get more. Brunson was upset that we didn't give him the money before the season because of a multitude of factors which included his play in the playoffs against bigger players, hid length and defense were thought to be to detrimental with Lukas inability to play D and Given Brunson hadnt shown the ability to carry the load offensively9at least until November sometime). Clearly we were wrong, Brunson worked his butt off and became a very very good player. And losing him for nothing hurt us badly. But I think Brunson had the right to be upset that we didnt believe in him and to decide to go somewhere where they did. Clearly New York had been telling him for a while that they wanted him. That's fair too. My only issue is I don't think Brunson is telling the truth about the timeline, im sure he asked before the season, and maybe even again before November where he became the clear number 2, but by the deadline, there is no way the Macs pass on that contract, even if they wanted to trade him He was already well outplaying a 4-55. All the other stuff is conjecture, Im still not sure that Brunson and Luka would for sure work at a championship level, Kyrie is a better offensive player, a better defender, a better rebounder and I think a better passer, only issue really is age and injury. but our team is better without Brunson and with Kyrie, we just had to use way more assets to get here, which could hurt us in the future.

[Archx]

This is according to him. It's his story, so he's definitely the main character who did good and was oppressed.

Wihout going into the merits of Brunson as a player, and without diving into the pros and cons of his contract, the simple question is did the NBA catch them colluding? Yes. Did the NBA fine them for doing so? Yes.

So whatever Brunson says today is just irrelevant. He's just trying to appear as the good guy but got caught. A wrong is a wrong no matter how much good PR and spin you put into it.

Whatever NBA caught them doing, happened AFTER the all-star break and trade deadline. And what happened before was Rick Brunson and Jalen's agent presented Mavs contract offer, TWICE..... Mavs said no to that.

Rick Brunson in an interview said they started to get fed up with Mavs and how they were treating his son. After when Jalen exploded in playoffs, Rick said his son felt he is worth more and felt dissapointed with Mavs and started looking elsewhere.

So we have to understand that there are 2 completely different timelines here and events that were happening. Funny thing is, nor Cuban or anyone else, never even spoke about this other than the fact that Brunson's camp didn't want a meeting with them in free agency. They know very well how they f*cked up.

[ozwizard8]

This is according to him. It's his story, so he's definitely the main character who did good and was oppressed.

Wihout going into the merits of Brunson as a player, and without diving into the pros and cons of his contract, the simple question is did the NBA catch them colluding? Yes. Did the NBA fine them for doing so? Yes.

So whatever Brunson says today is just irrelevant. He's just trying to appear as the good guy but got caught. A wrong is a wrong no matter how much good PR and spin you put into it.

Whatever NBA caught them doing, happened AFTER the all-star break and trade deadline. And what happened before was Rick Brunson and Jalen's agent presented Mavs contract offer, TWICE..... Mavs said no to that.

Rick Brunson in an interview said they started to get fed up with Mavs and how they were treating his son. After when Jalen exploded in playoffs, Rick said his son felt he is worth more and felt dissapointed with Mavs and started looking elsewhere.

So we have to understand that there are 2 completely different timelines here and events that were happening. Funny thing is, nor Cuban or anyone else, never even spoke about this other than the fact that Brunson's camp didn't want a meeting with them in free agency. They know very well how they f*cked up.

whats up with coping mechanism of ‘they get caught’? Ok what was the punishment then?
We all know FAs are talking to teams before the signing date as they sign the 1st second after restrictions lifted. so what was the crime? Did they agree on a month earlier? Did they shop their player during playoffs?
Its clear that Brunson played great in Luka’s absence but not got that miniscule $55m/4 year extension. A player who grows each year definitely deserved that and it’d be an asset to trade later. Brunson was probably willing to sign it in December timeline.

Anyway, I dont think Brunson talked much about this to rub it in the face of Cuban. It just seems to be a topic that is also asked frequently. I dont remember any other team getting a this important player on FA for last two-three years. Cuban deserved to be blamed. Hope he’ll learn from this and extend Lively when the time comes. He missed Nash, Chandler, Brunson.

Mavs team is doing good and has better title chances than Knicks so lets move on.

[arkuo]

This is according to him. It's his story, so he's definitely the main character who did good and was oppressed.

Wihout going into the merits of Brunson as a player, and without diving into the pros and cons of his contract, the simple question is did the NBA catch them colluding? Yes. Did the NBA fine them for doing so? Yes.

So whatever Brunson says today is just irrelevant. He's just trying to appear as the good guy but got caught. A wrong is a wrong no matter how much good PR and spin you put into it.

Whatever NBA caught them doing, happened AFTER the all-star break and trade deadline. And what happened before was Rick Brunson and Jalen's agent presented Mavs contract offer, TWICE..... Mavs said no to that.

Rick Brunson in an interview said they started to get fed up with Mavs and how they were treating his son. After when Jalen exploded in playoffs, Rick said his son felt he is worth more and felt dissapointed with Mavs and started looking elsewhere.

So we have to understand that there are 2 completely different timelines here and events that were happening. Funny thing is, nor Cuban or anyone else, never even spoke about this other than the fact that Brunson's camp didn't want a meeting with them in free agency. They know very well how they f*cked up.

whats up with coping mechanism of ‘they get caught’? Ok what was the punishment then?
We all know FAs are talking to teams before the signing date as they sign the 1st second after restrictions lifted. so what was the crime? Did they agree on a month earlier? Did they shop their player during playoffs?
Its clear that Brunson played great in Luka’s absence but not got that miniscule $55m/4 year extension. A player who grows each year definitely deserved that and it’d be an asset to trade later. Brunson was probably willing to sign it in December timeline.

Anyway, I dont think Brunson talked much about this to rub it in the face of Cuban. It just seems to be a topic that is also asked frequently. I dont remember any other team getting a this important player on FA for last two-three years. Cuban deserved to be blamed. Hope he’ll learn from this and extend Lively when the time comes. He missed Nash, Chandler, Brunson.

Mavs team is doing good and has better title chances than Knicks so lets move on.

The majority owners were seated front and center at courtside today. Every billionaire will want "his guy" running the show as his eyes and ears. Im in the minority here but I dont think Cuban will be around playing GM aftenoon tea with Nico when Lively's deal is up. Maybe Im wrong.

[Mike lorenzo]

What a beautiful player KI is to watch, just to enjoy it I'm fine with Jalen's departure... Yes it was a burden, in commercial assets... But the KI trade was an absolute bargain... If we can somehow stay healthy We will even win your championship this year. I have a couple of questions for you. Could the backcourt be LuKai, the most talented guard combo in history? If there is a better one, please name it. Second questions, thinking about possible commercial objectives...which guys are you interested in??? Caruso?CJohnson?DFS?Wiggins?

[41Dirk41]

What a beautiful player KI is to watch, just to enjoy it I'm fine with Jalen's departure... Yes it was a burden, in commercial assets... But the KI trade was an absolute bargain... If we can somehow stay healthy We will even win your championship this year. I have a couple of questions for you. Could the backcourt be LuKai, the most talented guard combo in history? If there is a better one, please name it. Second questions, thinking about possible commercial objectives...which guys are you interested in??? Caruso?CJohnson?DFS?Wiggins?

That trade was a masterpiece by Nico, a little bit risky but with huge reward. And it's paid. Totally.

Probably Caruso at this point because if we can't count too much on Exum healthy we need another ballhandler from the bench.
Wiggins is probably cooked and i don't like too much c.Johnson.
DFS is always a good pickup for cheap.

[daoneandonly]

What a beautiful player KI is to watch, just to enjoy it I'm fine with Jalen's departure... Yes it was a burden, in commercial assets... But the KI trade was an absolute bargain... If we can somehow stay healthy We will even win your championship this year. I have a couple of questions for you. Could the backcourt be LuKai, the most talented guard combo in history? If there is a better one, please name it. Second questions, thinking about possible commercial objectives...which guys are you interested in??? Caruso?CJohnson?DFS?Wiggins?

That trade was a masterpiece by Nico, a little bit risky but with huge reward. And it's paid. Totally.

Probably Caruso at this point because if we can't count too much on Exum healthy we need another ballhandler from the bench.
Wiggins is probably cooked and i don't like too much c.Johnson.
DFS is always a good pickup for cheap.

The big concern is always going to be his availability. Hopefully from here on out eh can play consistently because the team desperately needs him.

Small gripe, but think we could have at least kept the 2nds we traded for him since we did give up an unprotected first. Those matter in trades as we saw in last year's trade deadline. Even this year, PHX got Royce for a bunch of 2nds.

[arkuo]

What a beautiful player KI is to watch, just to enjoy it I'm fine with Jalen's departure... Yes it was a burden, in commercial assets... But the KI trade was an absolute bargain... If we can somehow stay healthy We will even win your championship this year. I have a couple of questions for you. Could the backcourt be LuKai, the most talented guard combo in history? If there is a better one, please name it. Second questions, thinking about possible commercial objectives...which guys are you interested in??? Caruso?CJohnson?DFS?Wiggins?

I'd like Caruso but Chicago is known to be a hard ass when it comes to making deals that's why they don't get a lot of good ones done. Even Demar Derozan can walk this summer as they failed to re-sign him too. So for what it would cost to get Caruso, I'd just probably rather sign Dennis Smith Jr to part of the MLE money. He's one of the top defensive point guards in the league now and Dallas does need a backup point for next year.

[dirkforpres]

What a beautiful player KI is to watch, just to enjoy it I'm fine with Jalen's departure... Yes it was a burden, in commercial assets... But the KI trade was an absolute bargain... If we can somehow stay healthy We will even win your championship this year. I have a couple of questions for you. Could the backcourt be LuKai, the most talented guard combo in history? If there is a better one, please name it. Second questions, thinking about possible commercial objectives...which guys are you interested in??? Caruso?CJohnson?DFS?Wiggins?

So dumb when people were whining about the cost that it took to acquire him. Like how often are you ever going to be able to trade for an All-NBA level player with just 1 FRP and a couple of role players?

[Archx]

Zach Lowe.

The Mavs have scored 121 points per 100 possessions with Doncic and Irving on the floor, about equivalent to Boston's top-ranked offense. I'd bet on that number going up as Irving and Doncic deepen their chemistry.

[Oscar9992]

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[ozwizard8]

The majority owners were seated front and center at courtside today. Every billionaire will want "his guy" running the show as his eyes and ears. Im in the minority here but I dont think Cuban will be around playing GM aftenoon tea with Nico when Lively's deal is up. Maybe Im wrong.

New owners may have already pressurized the Cuban and Nico to trade future picks to 'win now'.
We saw how many picks and assets the PHX spent with the new owner. The new owner syndrome is real.

In hindsight, it may have helped us. Kyrie is getting older, Mavs should've done these moves after the trade and extension.