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Post#81 » by ejs78 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:37 pm

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Exactly the same number of teams as there would have been without this "new scary CBA", teams will spend more money independently from that.
Nothing significant will change just like i told you.

I'm waiting too see how teams will blow out roster for money, it's you who talks about change so it's up to you to bring evidence to support your thesis but for now we're just hot air.

The first FA was even more expensive than the previous ones so the clues aren't exactly proving you right... sorry. But i have time, i'm sure you can argument better next year. O maybe not
How am I to bring up evidence to my thesis when the penalties haven't kicked in yet and the first year of this was the softest of the new CBA. Good job on naming all those 2nd apron teams like the Spurs.

Little disappointed you only used one emoji in that last post.

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The teams should start preparing to that "new scary CBA" if they were really scared... But i'm sorry it didn't happen

During last FA we have seen crazy contracts just like past years.
Nothing it's changed and nothing will change, put that in your head, contenders will pay taxes and lottery teams will be cheaper. Just like past years.

If your theory is based on the fact that Spurs, Pistons etc etc will not get past the 2nd apron it's not so smart honestly :noway:

But your ego is big and you must feed him so go on... Don't worry.
Again this is so simple but way too complicated for you since you are a child. Like I've said b4 I've agreed with you teams will spend money past the 2nd apron but those teams are contenders. You keep banging the drum that all this money is being spent and the CBA isn't scary, but few are going into the aprons. Now you are pulling back on what you've said by stating cheaper teams won't spend. Good job of moving the goalposts


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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#82 » by Archx » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:17 pm

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Archx wrote:After reading more into this story i guess they're actually about expanding their casinos into this area and Cuban has been lobbying for the same thing for a while now. I'm not sure how they'll structure the deal but Cuban would still have 100% control of the basketball related stuff. In a sense he wouldn't be the owner anymore yet it would still be his team. Question is, could they force him out later on.

In good times (like these), when you have major attractions on the team like Luka and Kyrie, arena is sold out, rating are high, they'll let him run it freely, he's friends with the stars, he built the thing, and he knows all the ins and outs, if things turn sour, there is no such thing as Cuban doing what he wants, if they think someone else will do a better job, he's getting replaced.


Apparently it's one of their sons who is into basketball. He already owns Hapoel but he's still young. So it could be possible that he'll take completely over in time. Apparently he even worked within the organization at some point. But i'm obviously just speculating, it's my wild theory :D
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#83 » by GermanFan120 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:26 pm

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0 arguments post... Good job :lol:


I'm letting you taste your own medicine. Enjoy.


I wrote my opinions but you skipped all of course...your is "We won a ring in 24years so Cuban is a good owner".

Not so smart. Really.


Why wouldn't I skip all of your stupid posts? I obviously need more reasons than that. LOL
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#84 » by Mavrelous » Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:44 pm

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daoneandonly wrote:Is anyone worried if the new ownership and Kyrie may be a clash? I know Stone mentioned it as well, but it's a valid point. Other than the cold shootign starts, Kyrie has been just fine. But we know he's got a volatile personality and given what has been said about the new owners, may be something that we have to worry about.

It is a concern, the Adelsons are very active in Israeli politics, they built up a newspaper from scratch that became the most popular paper in the right wing circles and they fund right wing think tanks there, Kyrie is obviously persona-non-grata in these circles, but they are also business people, they use politics to advance their business ventures not personal or political vendetta so I don't expect intervention in Kyrie wearing Kaffiya in press confs or his support in the Palestinian cause, NBA players and audience is pretty left wing in general so it wouldn't be the smart business move.


Yea I was more concerned of Kyrie being the one who eventually asks out.

Gores (Pistons owner), is part Palestinian, ejs will follow him closely...
I don't see him leaving if they keep politics out of basketball, he doesn't have enough leverage and he's happy in DAL.
Let Kyrie be Kyrie on Twitter and press conferences, and they handle their other businesses as if they don't employ him.
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#85 » by daoneandonly » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:01 pm

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Mavrelous wrote:It is a concern, the Adelsons are very active in Israeli politics, they built up a newspaper from scratch that became the most popular paper in the right wing circles and they fund right wing think tanks there, Kyrie is obviously persona-non-grata in these circles, but they are also business people, they use politics to advance their business ventures not personal or political vendetta so I don't expect intervention in Kyrie wearing Kaffiya in press confs or his support in the Palestinian cause, NBA players and audience is pretty left wing in general so it wouldn't be the smart business move.


Yea I was more concerned of Kyrie being the one who eventually asks out.

Gores (Pistons owner), is part Palestinian, ejs will follow him closely...
I don't see him leaving if they keep politics out of basketball, he doesn't have enough leverage and he's happy in DAL.
Let Kyrie be Kyrie on Twitter and press conferences, and they handle their other businesses as if they don't employ him.


I hear you and hopefully thats how it plays out. But I cant help but think Kyrie marches to his own beat and stands firm in what he believes to be true and right, so it would not be far fetched for him to raise a fuss
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#86 » by Mr B » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:12 pm

Archx wrote:After reading more into this story i guess they're actually about expanding their casinos into this area and Cuban has been lobbying for the same thing for a while now. I'm not sure how they'll structure the deal but Cuban would still have 100% control of the basketball related stuff. In a sense he wouldn't be the owner anymore yet it would still be his team. Question is, could they force him out later on.

The son-in-law will also have a part in the basketball operations but Cuban will still have a big role in running the team. According to Cuban the new owners plan to upgrade every aspect of the team. Hopefully that means on court too. I think we will see at the trade deadline just how much they are willing to spend to upgrade the team. They HAVE to know though that they will make more money if they put that new casino/resort/arena around a top team.
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#87 » by HMFFL » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:14 pm

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Forbes wrote:Crazy, I became a Mavs fan 23 years ago because of Cuban. Wow.



Same here man. If you guys follow soccer, ownership change means absolutely EVERYTHING. Look at Chelsea then vs. Chelsea now. I feel like Mavs is heading to the same fate.
I look forward to a hungry ownership that's focused on winning. Cuban has seemed less interested for awhile now.

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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#88 » by Mr B » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:15 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Is anyone worried if the new ownership and Kyrie may be a clash? I know Stone mentioned it as well, but it's a valid point. Other than the cold shootign starts, Kyrie has been just fine. But we know he's got a volatile personality and given what has been said about the new owners, may be something that we have to worry about.

It is a concern, the Adelsons are very active in Israeli politics, they built up a newspaper from scratch that became the most popular paper in the right wing circles and they fund right wing think tanks there, Kyrie is obviously persona-non-grata in these circles, but they are also business people, they use politics to advance their business ventures not personal or political vendetta so I don't expect intervention in Kyrie wearing Kaffiya in press confs or his support in the Palestinian cause, NBA players and audience is pretty left wing in general so it wouldn't be the smart business move.


Yea I was more concerned of Kyrie being the one who eventually asks out.

The longer Kyrie continues to play well the better his trade value gets. Also for a top player he’s actually on a reasonable contract, as far as being tradeable.
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#89 » by Mr B » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:17 pm

Archx wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
Archx wrote:After reading more into this story i guess they're actually about expanding their casinos into this area and Cuban has been lobbying for the same thing for a while now. I'm not sure how they'll structure the deal but Cuban would still have 100% control of the basketball related stuff. In a sense he wouldn't be the owner anymore yet it would still be his team. Question is, could they force him out later on.

In good times (like these), when you have major attractions on the team like Luka and Kyrie, arena is sold out, rating are high, they'll let him run it freely, he's friends with the stars, he built the thing, and he knows all the ins and outs, if things turn sour, there is no such thing as Cuban doing what he wants, if they think someone else will do a better job, he's getting replaced.


Apparently it's one of their sons who is into basketball. He already owns Hapoel but he's still young. So it could be possible that he'll take completely over in time. Apparently he even worked within the organization at some point. But i'm obviously just speculating, it's my wild theory :D

That’s exactly what I’m thinking. At some point he will be the one in charge. Hopefully he’s smart enough to put good basketball minds around him.
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#90 » by GermanFan120 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:46 pm

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Forbes wrote:Crazy, I became a Mavs fan 23 years ago because of Cuban. Wow.



Same here man. If you guys follow soccer, ownership change means absolutely EVERYTHING. Look at Chelsea then vs. Chelsea now. I feel like Mavs is heading to the same fate.
I look forward to a hungry ownership that's focused on winning. Cuban has seemed less interested for awhile now.

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Chelsea's new owner is VERY VERY hungry in terms of spending money. Look at the Suns too.

Spending unwisely is more dangerous sometimes.
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#91 » by ejs78 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:39 pm

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daoneandonly wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:It is a concern, the Adelsons are very active in Israeli politics, they built up a newspaper from scratch that became the most popular paper in the right wing circles and they fund right wing think tanks there, Kyrie is obviously persona-non-grata in these circles, but they are also business people, they use politics to advance their business ventures not personal or political vendetta so I don't expect intervention in Kyrie wearing Kaffiya in press confs or his support in the Palestinian cause, NBA players and audience is pretty left wing in general so it wouldn't be the smart business move.


Yea I was more concerned of Kyrie being the one who eventually asks out.

Gores (Pistons owner), is part Palestinian, ejs will follow him closely...
I don't see him leaving if they keep politics out of basketball, he doesn't have enough leverage and he's happy in DAL.
Let Kyrie be Kyrie on Twitter and press conferences, and they handle their other businesses as if they don't employ him.



When will Tom be back in Detroit as we really need this during the winter months:



SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CATCHY.

I believe Dan Gilbert who has major ties to the city of Detroit donates to the Republic Party and Wyc Grousbeck donates to the Democratic Party. Think there was an articles years ago saying 70-75% of the owners donate to the Republic Party so if this became a problem for Iriving he would likely have it elsewhere as well (feels like a nothing burger for now).
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#92 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:58 pm

ejs78 wrote:
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ejs78 wrote:How am I to bring up evidence to my thesis when the penalties haven't kicked in yet and the first year of this was the softest of the new CBA. Good job on naming all those 2nd apron teams like the Spurs.

Little disappointed you only used one emoji in that last post.

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The teams should start preparing to that "new scary CBA" if they were really scared... But i'm sorry it didn't happen

During last FA we have seen crazy contracts just like past years.
Nothing it's changed and nothing will change, put that in your head, contenders will pay taxes and lottery teams will be cheaper. Just like past years.

If your theory is based on the fact that Spurs, Pistons etc etc will not get past the 2nd apron it's not so smart honestly :noway:

But your ego is big and you must feed him so go on... Don't worry.
Again this is so simple but way too complicated for you since you are a child. Like I've said b4 I've agreed with you teams will spend money past the 2nd apron but those teams are contenders. You keep banging the drum that all this money is being spent and the CBA isn't scary, but few are going into the aprons. Now you are pulling back on what you've said by stating cheaper teams won't spend. Good job of moving the goalposts


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I honestly think that who moving the goalposts is you and not just now.

I've never said that all teams will go over the 2nd apron, but EVERY TEAM will continue to overpaid players. And it's happened last OF. Fact.
It's not even up for debate and that show you was wrong. Nothing changed just like i said.

I know that your ego hurts but happens, life goes on.
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#93 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:01 pm

GermanFan120 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
GermanFan120 wrote:
I'm letting you taste your own medicine. Enjoy.


I wrote my opinions but you skipped all of course...your is "We won a ring in 24years so Cuban is a good owner".

Not so smart. Really.


Why wouldn't I skip all of your stupid posts? I obviously need more reasons than that. LOL


Really man... my nephew uses these acronyms... LOL,LMAO.

Loser mindset and childish attitude. Good pairing.
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#94 » by BliscoSantos » Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:08 pm

Strictly a hipothethicall

Is it possible Cuban sold his team now knowing there's a chance Luka might leave Dallas...Luka ain't Dirk,forget about the loyalty...Mavs have no assets to get better,they can trade Luka and get some picks, but let's face it ,the Players have power and if Luka says he won't sign somewhere no one is gonna give up value for him
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#95 » by ejs78 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:16 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
The teams should start preparing to that "new scary CBA" if they were really scared... But i'm sorry it didn't happen

During last FA we have seen crazy contracts just like past years.
Nothing it's changed and nothing will change, put that in your head, contenders will pay taxes and lottery teams will be cheaper. Just like past years.

If your theory is based on the fact that Spurs, Pistons etc etc will not get past the 2nd apron it's not so smart honestly :noway:

But your ego is big and you must feed him so go on... Don't worry.
Again this is so simple but way too complicated for you since you are a child. Like I've said b4 I've agreed with you teams will spend money past the 2nd apron but those teams are contenders. You keep banging the drum that all this money is being spent and the CBA isn't scary, but few are going into the aprons. Now you are pulling back on what you've said by stating cheaper teams won't spend. Good job of moving the goalposts


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I honestly think that who moving the goalposts is you and not just now.

I've never said that all teams will go over the 2nd apron, but EVERY TEAM will continue to overpaid players. And it's happened last OF. Fact.
It's not even up for debate and that show you was wrong. Nothing changed just like i said.

I know that your ego hurts but happens, life goes on.


No crap teams will be spend, but you discussed this whole thing as if it was nothing and all teams will be spending boat loads of money. Again this is the softest part of the new CBA that we will see, but here you are taking victory laps for predicting something hasn't been fully put in place yet.
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#96 » by GermanFan120 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:47 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
GermanFan120 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
I wrote my opinions but you skipped all of course...your is "We won a ring in 24years so Cuban is a good owner".

Not so smart. Really.


Why wouldn't I skip all of your stupid posts? I obviously need more reasons than that. LOL


Really man... my nephew uses these acronyms... LOL,LMAO.

Loser mindset and childish attitude. Good pairing.



The guy who loves using emojis is the real CHILD here. LMAO.

And you should leave your imaginary nephew out of any forum posts.
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#97 » by Mavrelous » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:25 pm

BliscoSantos wrote:Strictly a hipothethicall

Is it possible Cuban sold his team now knowing there's a chance Luka might leave Dallas...Luka ain't Dirk,forget about the loyalty...Mavs have no assets to get better,they can trade Luka and get some picks, but let's face it ,the Players have power and if Luka says he won't sign somewhere no one is gonna give up value for him

No,we don't know his finances, but his business ventures in risky stuff like Crypto and NFT and lack of any marquee corporation holding under his name is evidence Mark Cuban doesn't have strong credit line, he sold at high valuation to wealthy, politically connected investors who he seems to have ties with years before the sale.
Everything is a speculation, but this has nothing to do with basketball stuff IMO.
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Post#98 » by Maverick41 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:27 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Is anyone worried if the new ownership and Kyrie may be a clash? I know Stone mentioned it as well, but it's a valid point. Other than the cold shootign starts, Kyrie has been just fine. But we know he's got a volatile personality and given what has been said about the new owners, may be something that we have to worry about.

This is a very good point. Something to monitor as a possible issue down the line. Really do not want some Kyrie drama fiasco to somehow develop. Hopefully both parties can come to an understanding to separate business and personal.
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#99 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:34 am

ejs78 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:Again this is so simple but way too complicated for you since you are a child. Like I've said b4 I've agreed with you teams will spend money past the 2nd apron but those teams are contenders. You keep banging the drum that all this money is being spent and the CBA isn't scary, but few are going into the aprons. Now you are pulling back on what you've said by stating cheaper teams won't spend. Good job of moving the goalposts


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I honestly think that who moving the goalposts is you and not just now.

I've never said that all teams will go over the 2nd apron, but EVERY TEAM will continue to overpaid players. And it's happened last OF. Fact.
It's not even up for debate and that show you was wrong. Nothing changed just like i said.

I know that your ego hurts but happens, life goes on.


No crap teams will be spend, but you discussed this whole thing as if it was nothing and all teams will be spending boat loads of money. Again this is the softest part of the new CBA that we will see, but here you are taking victory laps for predicting something hasn't been fully put in place yet.


Probably here you are right, but you have to take the loss because nothing is changed right now... And GMs work prospectively and not year by year so i'm very optimistic for the future of my prediction.
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Re: Mark Cuban sells Mavs 

Post#100 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:35 am

GermanFan120 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
GermanFan120 wrote:
Why wouldn't I skip all of your stupid posts? I obviously need more reasons than that. LOL


Really man... my nephew uses these acronyms... LOL,LMAO.

Loser mindset and childish attitude. Good pairing.



The guy who loves using emojis is the real CHILD here. LMAO.

And you should leave your imaginary nephew out of any forum posts.


My friend, this is really embarassing.
Stop yourself and *offensive comment*. Please.
This is the last warning, knock it off!

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