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vaff87 · Post #201 » by **vaff87** » Sat May 7, 2022 11:53 pm

Raider917 wrote:why did they trade for zimmer? what are his good qualities?

Good defensive CF.

v1n5anity · Post #202 » by **v1n5anity** » Sat May 7, 2022 11:54 pm

Raider917 wrote:why did they trade for zimmer? what are his good qualities?

Got him from Cleveland, which was Atkins and Shapiro's former team. Probably did Zimmer a favor. Seems like when he need to get bench guys, we look at Cleveland first. :noway:

Raider917 · Post #203 » by **Raider917** » Sat May 7, 2022 11:54 pm

vaff87 wrote:
Raider917 wrote:why did they trade for zimmer? what are his good qualities?

Good defensive CF.

no one in minors can do that? it wouldnt have cost a RP.

Randle McMurphy · Post #204 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sat May 7, 2022 11:58 pm

Raider917 wrote:
vaff87 wrote:
Raider917 wrote:why did they trade for zimmer? what are his good qualities?

Good defensive CF.

no one in minors can do that? it wouldnt have cost a RP.

The problem was the Tapia trade. They traded a guy who could play CF away for a guy who couldn't. At that point, with Springer on the roster, they needed somebody who could actually field the position.

Raider917 · Post #205 » by **Raider917** » Sun May 8, 2022 12:00 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Raider917 wrote:
vaff87 wrote:
Good defensive CF.

no one in minors can do that? it wouldnt have cost a RP.

The problem was the Tapia trade. They traded a guy who could play CF away for a guy who couldn't. At that point, with Springer on the roster, they needed somebody who could actually field the position.

so a bad move to make up for another bad move

Randle McMurphy · Post #206 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sun May 8, 2022 12:01 am

v1n5anity wrote:Zimmer is just an automatic out. Dude swings at every pitch, especially low pitches. Tapia atleast has shown some improvement so I'll lay off him. But Zimmer and that other guy with a long last name, I think he's our backup catcher, just suck so much.

Tapia has shown no improvement at all. He has an atrocious 48 wRC+.

Zimmer is at a historically bad -24 wRC+. Effectively like sending a reliever up to hit right now.

v1n5anity · Post #207 » by **v1n5anity** » Sun May 8, 2022 12:01 am

Who's talking in the broadcast that said he was in the stadium during the 2016 World Series?

Randle McMurphy · Post #208 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sun May 8, 2022 12:02 am

Raider917 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Raider917 wrote:no one in minors can do that? it wouldnt have cost a RP.

The problem was the Tapia trade. They traded a guy who could play CF away for a guy who couldn't. At that point, with Springer on the roster, they needed somebody who could actually field the position.

so a bad move to make up for another bad move

Effectively yes. Instead of one mediocre player as a 4th OF, they've replaced him with two bad players (one who can't hit or field at all and one who can field but hits like a pitcher).

Hottie McShotty · Post #209 » by **Hottie McShotty** » Sun May 8, 2022 12:03 am

Wow Phelps sucks!

Post #210 » by **spykelee** » Sun May 8, 2022 12:22 am

Maile > Zimmer

Randle McMurphy · Post #211 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sun May 8, 2022 12:22 am

Borucki can't be used against RHBs at all. That should do it for this one.

Hottie McShotty · Post #212 » by **Hottie McShotty** » Sun May 8, 2022 12:24 am

Wow Borucki sucks!

Raps in 4 · Post #213 » by **Raps in 4** » Sun May 8, 2022 1:12 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
v1n5anity wrote:Zimmer is just an automatic out. Dude swings at every pitch, especially low pitches. Tapia atleast has shown some improvement so I'll lay off him. But Zimmer and that other guy with a long last name, I think he's our backup catcher, just suck so much.

Tapia has shown no improvement at all. He has an atrocious 48 wRC+.

Zimmer is at a historically bad -24 wRC+. Effectively like sending a reliever up to hit right now.

Are we trying to contend this year or no? Like, what's the plan? Because having those two in the lineup regularly is not something teams that are trying to win do.

Randle McMurphy · Post #214 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sun May 8, 2022 1:28 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
v1n5anity wrote:Zimmer is just an automatic out. Dude swings at every pitch, especially low pitches. Tapia atleast has shown some improvement so I'll lay off him. But Zimmer and that other guy with a long last name, I think he's our backup catcher, just suck so much.

Tapia has shown no improvement at all. He has an atrocious 48 wRC+.

Zimmer is at a historically bad -24 wRC+. Effectively like sending a reliever up to hit right now.

Are we trying to contend this year or no? Like, what's the plan? Because having those two in the lineup regularly is not something teams that are trying to win do.

Teams that care about winning don’t do half the stuff the Jays do. Unfortunately they’ve really put themselves into a corner with this Tapia/Zimmer thing (they need a backup major league CF due to Springer and neither can handle that role for different reasons) and the only thing they can likely do to get out of it is to cut at least one of them as soon as possible (which they are likely reluctant to do so early in the year).

Montoyo is going to continue to use all of his players no matter what so you have to just remove them from the equation completely.

SharoneWright · Post #215 » by **SharoneWright** » Sun May 8, 2022 2:20 am

v1n5anity wrote:Who's talking in the broadcast that said he was in the stadium during the 2016 World Series?

Ben Wagner. Jerry's replacement.

SharoneWright · Post #216 » by **SharoneWright** » Sun May 8, 2022 2:24 am

Remember when people were snickering that the Yanks were beating up on the weaker teams......

Crucial we take advantage of teams like the 'Dianes. Wins are wins. Frustrating.

Randle McMurphy · Post #217 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sun May 8, 2022 2:34 am

Zimmer has a -27 wRC+. Among players in franchise history with over 40 PA, Zimmer is 322nd out of 323 in that category (ahead of only Roy Halladay). This really can't go on any longer.

SharoneWright · Post #218 » by **SharoneWright** » Sun May 8, 2022 2:40 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:Zimmer has a -27 wRC+. Among players in franchise history with over 40 PA, Zimmer is 322nd out of 323 in that category (ahead of only Roy Halladay). This really can't go on any longer.

Agreed. It's only taken 40 PA's to convince me this guy is not Zac Veen....

Maybe we can bundle him and Tapia....

Randle McMurphy · Post #219 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sun May 8, 2022 2:45 am

SharoneWright wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Zimmer has a -27 wRC+. Among players in franchise history with over 40 PA, Zimmer is 322nd out of 323 in that category (ahead of only Roy Halladay). This really can't go on any longer.

Agreed. It's only taken 40 PA's to convince me this guy is not Zac Veen....

Maybe we can bundle him and Tapia....

For what? A bag of balls?

SharoneWright · Post #220 » by **SharoneWright** » Sun May 8, 2022 2:47 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Zimmer has a -27 wRC+. Among players in franchise history with over 40 PA, Zimmer is 322nd out of 323 in that category (ahead of only Roy Halladay). This really can't go on any longer.

Agreed. It's only taken 40 PA's to convince me this guy is not Zac Veen....

Maybe we can bundle him and Tapia....

For what? A bag of balls?

Maple bats have been done.
(sad story)

Edit: Dexter Fowler doesn't look terrible right now... well,, maybe less terrible.