Don Mattingly Hired as Bench Coach

[SharoneWright]

You just arent getting it though. Schneider's reasoning was also due to the fact that he didnt want Gausman to go through the lineup for the 3rd time - a major analytics theme for starting pitchers. You can continue to argue the decision but I will leave this here.

Didn't want Gausman to face the 7,8,and 9 hitters for a 3rd time?? After being allowed to face 1 thru 6? That's the depth of your argument? That's an analytics decision? Come on man.

Read above. That was one part of it. Another part was wanting Mayza and his ground ball impact on a switch hitter. That's analytics. Whether it was a **** analytics decision or not, it was made.

Schneider panicked under the pressure of seeing baserunners on base. Probably had Mayza warming early because the game seemed out of reach and so was planning to use a lower-leverage arm next. Decided to just roll with his provisional plan even though circumstances on the field were changing. I don't think it's more complicated than that.

[WuTang_OG]

Didn't want Gausman to face the 7,8,and 9 hitters for a 3rd time?? After being allowed to face 1 thru 6? That's the depth of your argument? That's an analytics decision? Come on man.

Read above. That was one part of it. Another part was wanting Mayza and his ground ball impact on a switch hitter. That's analytics. Whether it was a **** analytics decision or not, it was made.

Schneider panicked under the pressure of seeing baserunners on base. Probably had Mayza warming early because the game seemed out of reach and so was planning to use a lower-leverage arm. Decided to just roll with the initial plan even though circumstances on the field were changing. He was locked in on Mayza. I don't think it's more complicated than that.

Sure, that too added to it. There was analytics in the decision as well from what I've said. Have a hard time believing it was all feel for Mayza with bases loaded and 1 hit could change the entire game for game 164. Doesn't make any sense.

[s e n s i]

You just arent getting it though. Schneider's reasoning was also due to the fact that he didnt want Gausman to go through the lineup for the 3rd time - a major analytics theme for starting pitchers. You can continue to argue the decision but I will leave this here.

Didn't want Gausman to face the 7,8,and 9 hitters for a 3rd time?? After being allowed to face 1 thru 6? That's the depth of your argument? That's an analytics decision? Come on man.

Read above. That was one part of it. Another part was wanting Mayza and his ground ball impact on a switch hitter. That's analytics. Whether it was a **** analytics decision or not, it was made.

you don't need to die on this hill, my guy

it was the least analytics-based decision we saw all season as proven by like 8 other posters in this thread. let's just move on.

[Fairview4Life]

Read above. That was one part of it. Another part was wanting Mayza and his ground ball impact on a switch hitter. That's analytics. Whether it was a **** analytics decision or not, it was made.

Schneider panicked under the pressure of seeing baserunners on base. Probably had Mayza warming early because the game seemed out of reach and so was planning to use a lower-leverage arm. Decided to just roll with the initial plan even though circumstances on the field were changing. He was locked in on Mayza. I don't think it's more complicated than that.

Sure, that too added to it. There was analytics in the decision as well from what I've said. Have a hard time believing it was all feel for Mayza with bases loaded and 1 hit could change the entire game for game 164. Doesn't make any sense.

The decision did not make any sense, which is why everyone here questioned it during and after the game. If your definition of analytics is that loose though then every single decision in baseball is an analytics based decision and the term is meaningless.

[SharoneWright]

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[Ranger One]

Come in here looking for some interesting discussion about Mattingly, find two morons arguing about the definition of analytics for 3 pages instead. Good stuff.

[WuTang_OG]

Didn't want Gausman to face the 7,8,and 9 hitters for a 3rd time?? After being allowed to face 1 thru 6? That's the depth of your argument? That's an analytics decision? Come on man.

Read above. That was one part of it. Another part was wanting Mayza and his ground ball impact on a switch hitter. That's analytics. Whether it was a **** analytics decision or not, it was made.

you don't need to die on this hill, my guy

it was the least analytics-based decision we saw all season as proven by like 8 other posters in this thread. let's just move on.

Iv moved on but to argue like fairview saying it was all feel to put mayza in that situation is false

Whether the decision was a poor or great analytical decision doesnt matter. And even before i got into all this my original statement was mattingly will help balance feel and analytics imo.

[WuTang_OG]

Schneider panicked under the pressure of seeing baserunners on base. Probably had Mayza warming early because the game seemed out of reach and so was planning to use a lower-leverage arm. Decided to just roll with the initial plan even though circumstances on the field were changing. He was locked in on Mayza. I don't think it's more complicated than that.

Sure, that too added to it. There was analytics in the decision as well from what I've said. Have a hard time believing it was all feel for Mayza with bases loaded and 1 hit could change the entire game for game 164. Doesn't make any sense.

The decision did not make any sense, which is why everyone here questioned it during and after the game. If your definition of analytics is that loose though then every single decision in baseball is an analytics based decision and the term is meaningless.

It’s not loose, its analytics. You may disagree to the reasoning behind it and thats fine since it was a poor one. But to your point and confidently say it was 100% feel in game 163 with bases loaded… lol. I’d lean wrong on that one.

[Fairview4Life]

Sure, that too added to it. There was analytics in the decision as well from what I've said. Have a hard time believing it was all feel for Mayza with bases loaded and 1 hit could change the entire game for game 164. Doesn't make any sense.

The decision did not make any sense, which is why everyone here questioned it during and after the game. If your definition of analytics is that loose though then every single decision in baseball is an analytics based decision and the term is meaningless.

It’s not loose, its analytics. You may disagree to the reasoning behind it and thats fine since it was a poor one. But to your point and confidently say it was 100% feel in game 163 with bases loaded… lol. I’d lean wrong on that one.

Everything is not analytics. If you think this decision was analytics, then you might as well just label every decision in baseball analytics. Leaving Gausman in would have been an analytics choice. Bringing in Romano would have been analytics. Everything is analytics and nothing is analytics. What a fun metric!

As mentioned repeatedly: There are literally no statistics that would lead Schneider to make the decision to bring in Mayza. Statistics would have led him to make almost any other decision than the one he made. The only thing that exists is "he had Tim Mayza warming up and panicked when Gausman loaded the bases". That was the "analytics". He fell victim to the great managerial blunder: "I have to do something, I am the manager". Avoiding that idiocy is why Gibby is such a good manager.

[WuTang_OG]

The decision did not make any sense, which is why everyone here questioned it during and after the game. If your definition of analytics is that loose though then every single decision in baseball is an analytics based decision and the term is meaningless.

It’s not loose, its analytics. You may disagree to the reasoning behind it and thats fine since it was a poor one. But to your point and confidently say it was 100% feel in game 163 with bases loaded… lol. I’d lean wrong on that one.

Everything is not analytics. If you think this decision was analytics, then you might as well just label every decision in baseball analytics. Leaving Gausman in would have been an analytics choice. Bringing in Romano would have been analytics. Everything is analytics and nothing is analytics. What a fun metric!

As mentioned repeatedly: There are literally no statistics that would lead Schneider to make the decision to bring in Mayza. Statistics would have led him to make almost any other decision than the one he made. The only thing that exists is "he had Tim Mayza warming up and panicked when Gausman loaded the bases". That was the "analytics". He fell victim to the great managerial blunder: "I have to do something, I am the manager". Avoiding that idiocy is why Gibby is such a good manager.

We can agree to disagree this going nowhere. This going in circles. But again, Leaving in gausman was the feel decision which ultametely should have happend in that situation.

[Fairview4Life]

Leaving Gausman in was a much better choice analytically, therefore it was not the "feel" decision and was in fact the analytics decision.

[WuTang_OG]

Leaving Gausman in was a much better choice analytically, therefore it was not the "feel" decision and was in fact the analytics decision.

K dude go to bed, you're being annoying now. Everyone knows leaving Guasman in was the feel approach in that situation.

[Fairview4Life]

Leaving Gausman in was a much better choice analytically, therefore it was not the "feel" decision and was in fact the analytics decision.

K dude go to bed, you're being annoying now. Everyone knows leaving Guasman in was the feel approach in that situation.

K dude, even though it's just you and one other person with everyone else disagreeing with you.

[Schad]

Read above. That was one part of it. Another part was wanting Mayza and his ground ball impact on a switch hitter. That's analytics. Whether it was a **** analytics decision or not, it was made.

His 'ground ball impact on a switch hitter' is not "analytics". It's something that a dude in this thread just made up. Mayza is one of the best in baseball at getting left-handed hitters to produce grounders. He is not one of the best in baseball at getting right-handed hitters to produce grounders.

4.3% of Mayza's appearances against righties resulted in a home run. For Gausman, it was 2.5%. Mayza was by every statistical measure more likely to give up a home run there. It wasn't analytics, friend.

[WuTang_OG]

Leaving Gausman in was a much better choice analytically, therefore it was not the "feel" decision and was in fact the analytics decision.

K dude go to bed, you're being annoying now. Everyone knows leaving Guasman in was the feel approach in that situation.

K dude, even though it's just you and one other person with everyone else disagreeing with you.

Good. Stop spinning wheels now.

[Fairview4Life]

K dude go to bed, you're being annoying now. Everyone knows leaving Guasman in was the feel approach in that situation.

K dude, even though it's just you and one other person with everyone else disagreeing with you.

Good. Stop spinning wheels now.

Nah, I'm going to keep posting until you decide to stop instead. I will then use you quitting to signify my victory.

[WuTang_OG]

K dude, even though it's just you and one other person with everyone else disagreeing with you.

Good. Stop spinning wheels now.

Nah, I'm going to keep posting until you decide to stop instead. I will then use you quitting to signify my victory.

I stopped a while ago, just responding to people. If you dont like it, dont read it. But you are really misinformed if you dont think leaving Guasman was the feel play lol. That's a new one.

[Fairview4Life]

Good. Stop spinning wheels now.

Nah, I'm going to keep posting until you decide to stop instead. I will then use you quitting to signify my victory.

I stopped a while ago, just responding to people. If you dont like it, dont read it. But you are really misinformed if you dont think leaving Guasman was the feel play lol. That's a new one.

I am also just responding to people, funny how that works. Bringing in Mayza was entirely a feel call. It is evidenced by the fact that it was the literal worst statistical decision Schneider could have made in that spot. But you know that and just can't accept being wrong.

[WuTang_OG]

Nah, I'm going to keep posting until you decide to stop instead. I will then use you quitting to signify my victory.

I stopped a while ago, just responding to people. If you dont like it, dont read it. But you are really misinformed if you dont think leaving Guasman was the feel play lol. That's a new one.

I am also just responding to people, funny how that works. Bringing in Mayza was entirely a feel call. It is evidenced by the fact that it was the literal worst statistical decision Schneider could have made in that spot. But you know that and just can't accept being wrong.

It entirely wasn't and you know leaving Guasman in was the feel call, you just cant admit you are wrong.

[Schad]

It entirely wasn't and you know leaving Guasman in was the feel call, you just cant admit you are wrong.

Given that the analytics grounding is so obvious, what was the analytical grounding, again? Please use numbers, because analytics are (as you know, being an expert on them) grounded in numbers.