Blue Jays 23/24 Offseason Thread

[polo007]

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[Mehar]

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I would have spent that money on keeping Hicks, and let Green walk. Not sure paying over 10 million to Green was the right course of action. Green did not overly impress me in the games he pitched. He was not the Chad Green I remembered from years ago. His velocity and command was not the same, and even in his scoreless appearances, he got hit hard.

[JN]

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I thought it was Green that held the option based on various posts I had seen in September.

This is strange, and seemingly not that a good move on the surface by the Jays.

Would rather hold the money for the offence, and if those options go away, there will always be some reliever left on the market in Jan/Feb that you can give this money to.

[JN]

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These moves show a real lack of system depth to me, given that there were no better options for our 40 man.

Brendan Little is a 25 year old reliever who has not been particularly good at AAA the last 2 years.
And we know Mitch White.
Would have hoped we had developed some better options that could supersede the "talent" above.

[s e n s i]

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I would have spent that money on keeping Hicks, and let Green walk. Not sure paying over 10 million to Green was the right course of action. Green did not overly impress me in the games he pitched. He was not the Chad Green I remembered from years ago. His velocity and command was not the same, and even in his scoreless appearances, he got hit hard.

hicks wasn't returning anyway and by all accounts wants to be a starter.

it was a super small sample but chad green pitched better than he has his entire career, really. his FB velocity was basically the same as it was the previous 3 seasons and only 0.4 mph off his career average. he was far better than we could have hoped for coming off TJS.

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These moves show a real lack of system depth to me, given that there were no better options for our 40 man.

Brendan Little is a 25 year old reliever who has not been particularly good at AAA the last 2 years.
And we know Mitch White.
Would have hoped we had developed some better options that could supersede the "talent" above.

Mitch White had a ridiculously dominant end to his season in AAA and was hitting 97 MPH. They couldn't let him go after that.

[Mehar]

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I would have spent that money on keeping Hicks, and let Green walk. Not sure paying over 10 million to Green was the right course of action. Green did not overly impress me in the games he pitched. He was not the Chad Green I remembered from years ago. His velocity and command was not the same, and even in his scoreless appearances, he got hit hard.

hicks wasn't returning anyway and by all accounts wants to be a starter.

it was a super small sample but chad green pitched better than he has his entire career, really. his FB velocity was basically the same as it was the previous 3 seasons and only 0.4 mph off his career average. he was far better than we could have hoped for coming off TJS.

I would not call a 5.25 ERA in 12 appearances over a month, pitching better than his career. I remember Green as a Yankee, and he showed none of that dominance in his one month as a Jay. I realize he was coming off surgery, but I would have personally let Green walk and used that over 10 million a year to target a few other relievers in free agency.

[JaysRule15]

Aside from a couple rough outings when he first came up, Green was solid.

Hicks never really seemed interested in being here and wants a starter opportunity. Even if that doesn't happen, some team will likely give him big money to be closer.

It really sucks that Pearson looks like a wash. I was really hoping he'd have become a high leverage arm in the pen by now.

[SharoneWright]

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you're not in Milwaukee anymore.

sheesh. I could literally manage a team. but, congrats on your success Craig Counsell.

[s e n s i]

I would have spent that money on keeping Hicks, and let Green walk. Not sure paying over 10 million to Green was the right course of action. Green did not overly impress me in the games he pitched. He was not the Chad Green I remembered from years ago. His velocity and command was not the same, and even in his scoreless appearances, he got hit hard.

hicks wasn't returning anyway and by all accounts wants to be a starter.

it was a super small sample but chad green pitched better than he has his entire career, really. his FB velocity was basically the same as it was the previous 3 seasons and only 0.4 mph off his career average. he was far better than we could have hoped for coming off TJS.

I would not call a 5.25 ERA in 12 appearances over a month, pitching better than his career. I remember Green as a Yankee, and he showed none of that dominance in his one month as a Jay. I realize he was coming off surgery, but I would have personally let Green walk and used that over 10 million a year to target a few other relievers in free agency.

yeah, i figured as much that you looked at his ERA and his ERA only. where to allocate any sum of money is always up for debate but green's peripherals were in line if not better than his career numbers.

[Madvillainy2004]

hicks wasn't returning anyway and by all accounts wants to be a starter.

it was a super small sample but chad green pitched better than he has his entire career, really. his FB velocity was basically the same as it was the previous 3 seasons and only 0.4 mph off his career average. he was far better than we could have hoped for coming off TJS.

I would not call a 5.25 ERA in 12 appearances over a month, pitching better than his career. I remember Green as a Yankee, and he showed none of that dominance in his one month as a Jay. I realize he was coming off surgery, but I would have personally let Green walk and used that over 10 million a year to target a few other relievers in free agency.

yeah, i figured as much that you looked at his ERA and his ERA only. where to allocate any sum of money is always up for debate but green's peripherals were in line if not better than his career numbers.

Yeah with Hicks 100% gone I'll take my chances on Green being good this season. Strong periphals and he'll probably be better with a full camp to ramp up + more removed from his TJS.

Relievers in general are Voodoo anyways no guarantee Hicks wouldn't revert back to being meh anyways at least this is a shorter comittment.

[Mehar]

Teoscar Hernandez did not receive a Qualifying Offer, and is now a free agent. I would not mind the Jays signing him and bringing him back as DH. 3 years max at 50 million range is the ballpark I would look at. If another team offers him 4 years and close to the 20 million his agent was looking for, then I would look elsewhere.

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Teoscar Hernandez did not receive a Qualifying Offer, and is now a free agent. I would not mind the Jays signing him and bringing him back as DH. 3 years max at 50 million range is the ballpark I would look at. If another team offers him 4 years and close to the 20 million his agent was looking for, then I would look elsewhere.

The problem is you will want Springer to DH more, and others to get their DH days as well. And Teoscar is a right handed bat like Springer and Vlad. At least Belt was a left handed bat


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[polo007]

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[Balki-B]

What an ominous double post with no actual tweet.

[Randle McMurphy]

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Season's over early.

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[SharoneWright]

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Season's over early.

ha ha.

seriously, though. that's really odd. it was an easy bone to throw to the fans, whether it makes any material difference or just as an empty gesture. he was the lowest of the low hanging fruit.

[Madvillainy2004]

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A dinosaur that doesn't believe in pulling the ball and launch angle having MORE influence on our hitting approach lmao.