Breaking: Varsho in, Moreno, Gurriel out

Los_29 · Post #81 » by **Los_29** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:23 pm

Raptors Realtor wrote:Absolutely terrible... You're trading your top prospect who's top 5 overall for Varsho who has a 235 AVG with a sub 800 OPS, along with Gurriel... Shatkins will regret if true.

Varsho had a WAR of 4.9 last year. 41st in baseball.

Fairview4Life · Post #82 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:24 pm

Los_29 wrote:I remember how upset people were when we traded Austin Martin. Martin has struggled ever since. Moreno is an excellent prospect but at this point that's all he is.

Woods-Richardson is doing well. And we also have ptsd from the Syndergaard trade.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #83 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:24 pm

Raptors Realtor wrote:Absolutely terrible... You're trading your top prospect who's top 5 overall for Varsho who has a 235 AVG with a sub 800 OPS, not to mention throwing in Gurriel also... Shatkins will regret this.

lets revisit this in 5 months

hyper316 · Post #84 » by **hyper316** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:26 pm

Are there anymore Spanish speaking players on the team left other than Vladdy?

Fairview4Life · Post #85 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:28 pm

Raptors Realtor wrote:Absolutely terrible... You're trading your top prospect who's top 5 overall for Varsho who has a 235 AVG with a sub 800 OPS, not to mention throwing in Gurriel also... Shatkins will regret this.

Seems a lot like Matt Chapman except there are a lot more good hitting 3rd basemen than CF’s.

Fairview4Life · Post #86 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:30 pm

hyper316 wrote:Are there anymore Spanish speaking players on the team left other than Vladdy?

Espinal’s Dominican I think. Yimi Garcia. Jose Berrios is Puerto Rican.

Raps in 4 · Post #87 » by **Raps in 4** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:31 pm

Varsho is good, but this feels like an overpay. Surely we could have gotten more for Moreno.

I wasn't opposed to trading Moreno. I've posted as much on here. I was fine moving any one of Jano, Kirk, or Gabby for the BPA. But I don't think Varsho was the best deal available.

Raptors Realtor · Post #88 » by **Raptors Realtor** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:32 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Raptors Realtor wrote:Absolutely terrible... You're trading your top prospect who's top 5 overall for Varsho who has a 235 AVG with a sub 800 OPS, not to mention throwing in Gurriel also... Shatkins will regret this.

lets revisit this in 5 months

Not sure 5 months is enough time to gage the value of a top prospect, but Gurriel puts up very comparable numbers to Varsho on his own with a higher AVG

Fairview4Life · Post #89 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:32 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:Varsho is good, but what an overpay. Surely we could have gotten more for Moreno.

I wasn't opposed to trading Moreno. I've posted as much on here. I was fine moving any one of Jano, Kirk, or Gabby for the BPA. But I don't think Varsho qualifies as the BPA.

Who does?

Fairview4Life · Post #90 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:33 pm

Raptors Realtor wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Raptors Realtor wrote:Absolutely terrible... You're trading your top prospect who's top 5 overall for Varsho who has a 235 AVG with a sub 800 OPS, not to mention throwing in Gurriel also... Shatkins will regret this.

lets revisit this in 5 months

Not sure 5 months is enough time to gage the value of a top prospect, but Gurriel puts up very comparable numbers to Varsho on his own with a higher AVG

Gurriel is a bad outfield defender who runs like a duck. Varsho is the opposite of that.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #91 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:33 pm

Raptors Realtor wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Raptors Realtor wrote:Absolutely terrible... You're trading your top prospect who's top 5 overall for Varsho who has a 235 AVG with a sub 800 OPS, not to mention throwing in Gurriel also... Shatkins will regret this.

lets revisit this in 5 months

Not sure 5 months is enough time to gage the value of a top prospect, but Gurriel puts up very comparable numbers to Varsho on his own with a higher AVG

well we have 4 years of control on Varsh so we probably see how this plays out.

hyper316 · Post #92 » by **hyper316** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:35 pm

All these moves point to saving money to re-sign Vladdy and maybe Bichette. I'm good trading Bichette, can't have the weakest link in the most important defensive position

Raptors Realtor · Post #93 » by **Raptors Realtor** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:36 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
Raptors Realtor wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
lets revisit this in 5 months

Not sure 5 months is enough time to gage the value of a top prospect, but Gurriel puts up very comparable numbers to Varsho on his own with a higher AVG

Gurriel is a bad outfield defender who runs like a duck. Varsho is the opposite of that.

I don't disagree that Varsho is a better defender then Gurriel, but the difference in defense shouldn't have been a top 5 overall prospect.

Raps in 4 · Post #94 » by **Raps in 4** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:38 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:Varsho is good, but what an overpay. Surely we could have gotten more for Moreno.

I wasn't opposed to trading Moreno. I've posted as much on here. I was fine moving any one of Jano, Kirk, or Gabby for the BPA. But I don't think Varsho qualifies as the BPA.

Who does?

I mean, clearly Shatkins do as they made the trade.

Again, Varsho is a good player, but he's just barely above league average in terms of offensive production. He gives you elite defence, but I feel a top prospect could get you more than that.

Fairview4Life · Post #95 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:38 pm

Raptors Realtor wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
Raptors Realtor wrote:
Not sure 5 months is enough time to gage the value of a top prospect, but Gurriel puts up very comparable numbers to Varsho on his own with a higher AVG

Gurriel is a bad outfield defender who runs like a duck. Varsho is the opposite of that.

I don't disagree that Varsho is a better defender then Gurriel, but the difference in defense shouldn't have been a top 5 overall prospect.

The difference is the defense and that Varsho is 26 with 4 more years of team control and Gurriel is on the last year of his deal and missed 1/4 of the season last year.

Raptors Realtor · Post #96 » by **Raptors Realtor** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:38 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Raptors Realtor wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
lets revisit this in 5 months

Not sure 5 months is enough time to gage the value of a top prospect, but Gurriel puts up very comparable numbers to Varsho on his own with a higher AVG

well we have 4 years of control on Varsh so we probably see how this plays out.

Fair, but not confident that Varsho increases his BA 40 points or so.

Fairview4Life · Post #97 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:39 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:Varsho is good, but what an overpay. Surely we could have gotten more for Moreno.

I wasn't opposed to trading Moreno. I've posted as much on here. I was fine moving any one of Jano, Kirk, or Gabby for the BPA. But I don't think Varsho qualifies as the BPA.

Who does?

I mean clearly Shatkins do as they made the trade.

No, who qualifies as the BPA? Who is available?

Raps in 4 · Post #98 » by **Raps in 4** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:41 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
Who does?

I mean clearly Shatkins do as they made the trade.

No, who qualifies as the BPA? Who is available?

I'm not a GM, but when you have a top-5 prospect who plays the most premium position in the game, you have options.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #99 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:41 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
Raptors Realtor wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
lets revisit this in 5 months

Not sure 5 months is enough time to gage the value of a top prospect, but Gurriel puts up very comparable numbers to Varsho on his own with a higher AVG

Gurriel is a bad outfield defender who runs like a duck. Varsho is the opposite of that.

pretty much this. and Gurriel had a power shortage last year. and Varsho stole 16 bags last year lol. more than anyone else but thats just a fan fact than something else.

Varsho is also the quickest catcher I believe - read that is in the 89th percentile of sprint speed.

Raps in 4 · Post #100 » by **Raps in 4** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:42 pm

Los_29 wrote:
Raptors Realtor wrote:Absolutely terrible... You're trading your top prospect who's top 5 overall for Varsho who has a 235 AVG with a sub 800 OPS, along with Gurriel... Shatkins will regret if true.

Varsho had a WAR of 4.9 last year. 41st in baseball.

The question is how sustainable is that? Last season was the first time he had > league average offensive production (and just barely). He's a good player, the same way Matt Chapman is a good player, but is he good enough to justify giving up a top prospect for?