Breaking: Varsho in, Moreno, Gurriel out

T-d0t · Post #61 » by **T-d0t** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:44 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Jays are going for a run prevention lineup. Varsho is a plus defender.

If that is so Bichette should have been traded forever ago

hyper316 · Post #62 » by **hyper316** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:45 pm

So far batting lineup looks like this

RF Springer
SS Bichette
1B Vladdy
C/DH Kirk
3B Chapman
DH/C Jansen
LF/C Varsho (L)
2B Espinal/Merrifield
CF Kiermaier (L)

guvernator · Post #63 » by **guvernator** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:45 pm

Madvillainy2004 wrote:
guvernator wrote:
Madvillainy2004 wrote:
This trade was about defense. And he's had a higher war than anyone on our team last year. You can be meh on the trade but Varsho is good.

Still to be seen if Varsho can sustain. I'll take Moreno (even with the loss of power) over what ever Varsho can do (half his war is from defence... good luck projecting that).

There's definitely a level of risk in this trade. I mean defense is hard to project but I doubt he goes from leading the majors in some defensive metrics to being bad lol. A lefty power bat with great defense was what we needed. I wanted a more established star for Moreno but his 4 yrs of control are huge too.

Blue chip prospects should never be traded (or traded only for star players). Varsho is not a star player.

ItsDanger · Post #64 » by **ItsDanger** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:45 pm

T-d0t wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Jays are going for a run prevention lineup. Varsho is a plus defender.

If that is so Bichette should have been traded forever ago

LOL, or they're trying to compensate. Addison Barger will probably make the team now.

s e n s i · Post #65 » by **s e n s i** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:47 pm

i'm good with this. if kiermaier stays healthy then our OF, which has been bad for years, is legitimately good defensively now. sucks to give up gabby, it does, but gurriel had marginal value and we're filling a need with a 4-5 fWAR, plug-n-play player.

linery88 · Post #66 » by **linery88** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:49 pm

Well,he better do pretty good,considering who he is replacing.The heat is on.
Hope he kicks ass here.Do well,and all is forgotten.
Not getting sucked in until we win a series first.

Potential · Post #67 » by **Potential** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:53 pm

great offseason team is a lot more well rounded and way better defensively. still need some more moves

dagger · Post #68 » by **dagger** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:55 pm

Gurriel was injured too often. With the supposed end to the shift, outfield D even more important.

Post #69 » by **Duffman100** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:58 pm

hyper316 wrote:So far batting lineup looks like this

RF Springer
SS Bichette
1B Vladdy
C/DH Kirk
3B Chapman
DH/C Jansen
LF/C Varsho (L)
2B Espinal/Merrifield
CF Kiermaier (L)

That’s pretty damn good.

If we do some vet signings like Cueto and Pollock, I’ll be really excited about this roster.

Fairview4Life · Post #70 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:01 pm

dagger wrote:Gurriel was injured too often. With the supposed end to the shift, outfield D even more important.

Dumb shift question: under the new rules, could you have gamed them by dropping your 3rd baseman back into left field, let your SS cover the whole left side of the infield, and shift your outfielders around? Or do the new rules take care of that too?

hyper316 · Post #71 » by **hyper316** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:03 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
hyper316 wrote:So far batting lineup looks like this

RF Springer
SS Bichette
1B Vladdy
C/DH Kirk
3B Chapman
DH/C Jansen
LF/C Varsho (L)
2B Espinal/Merrifield
CF Kiermaier (L)

That’s pretty damn good.

If we do some vet signings like Cueto and Pollock, I’ll be really excited about this roster.

It's too bad there's nothing really can be done to break up the top 6 righties

tempests_dawn · Post #72 » by **tempests_dawn** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:04 pm

Not gonna debate the merits of Varsho. His profile fits what the Jays need (good D in OF, controllable, power, speed). But when a top 10 prospect in MLB is traded away who plays a prime defensive position, the player coming back better not have any question marks around his future output. Can that be said about Varsho? Ack.

Fairview4Life · Post #73 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:04 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
hyper316 wrote:So far batting lineup looks like this

RF Springer
SS Bichette
1B Vladdy
C/DH Kirk
3B Chapman
DH/C Jansen
LF/C Varsho (L)
2B Espinal/Merrifield
CF Kiermaier (L)

That’s pretty damn good.

If we do some vet signings like Cueto and Pollock, I’ll be really excited about this roster.

No clue if we will win more games, but worst case, the losses will be less frustrating with only one bad defender left. SS isn’t an important defensive position, right?

Fairview4Life · Post #74 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:08 pm

tempests_dawn wrote:Not gonna debate the merits of Varsho. His profile fits what the Jays need (good D in OF, controllable, power, speed). But when a top 10 prospect in MLB is traded away who plays a prime defensive position, the player coming back better not have any question marks around his future output. Can that be said about Varsho? Ack.

Can you get a 26 year old with no questions for a single great prospect and a year of Gurriel though?

Post #75 » by **Duffman100** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:13 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
hyper316 wrote:So far batting lineup looks like this

RF Springer
SS Bichette
1B Vladdy
C/DH Kirk
3B Chapman
DH/C Jansen
LF/C Varsho (L)
2B Espinal/Merrifield
CF Kiermaier (L)

That’s pretty damn good.

If we do some vet signings like Cueto and Pollock, I’ll be really excited about this roster.

No clue if we will win more games, but worst case, the losses will be less frustrating with only one bad defender left. SS isn’t an important defensive position, right?

I’ve been told that shortstop defense is overrated.

Granted that was in my weekly phone call with Mrs Bichette.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #76 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:14 pm

T-d0t wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Jays are going for a run prevention lineup. Varsho is a plus defender.

If that is so Bichette should have been traded forever ago

good thing Bichette has a sick bat because ya, he would have been traded as well.

hyper316 · Post #77 » by **hyper316** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:18 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
hyper316 wrote:So far batting lineup looks like this

RF Springer
SS Bichette
1B Vladdy
C/DH Kirk
3B Chapman
DH/C Jansen
LF/C Varsho (L)
2B Espinal/Merrifield
CF Kiermaier (L)

That’s pretty damn good.

If we do some vet signings like Cueto and Pollock, I’ll be really excited about this roster.

No clue if we will win more games, but worst case, the losses will be less frustrating with only one bad defender left. SS isn’t an important defensive position, right?

No more shift, majority of batters in MLB are righties...

Los_29 · Post #78 » by **Los_29** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:20 pm

I remember how upset people were when we traded Austin Martin. Martin has struggled ever since. Moreno is an excellent prospect but at this point that's all he is.

Raptors Realtor · Post #79 » by **Raptors Realtor** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:20 pm

Absolutely terrible... You're trading your top prospect who's top 5 overall for Varsho who has a 235 AVG with a sub 800 OPS, not to mention throwing in Gurriel also... Shatkins will regret this.

hyper316 · Post #80 » by **hyper316** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:22 pm

Raptors Realtor wrote:Absolutely terrible... You're trading your top prospect who's top 5 overall for Varsho who has a 235 AVG with a sub 800 OPS, not to mention throwing in Gurriel also... Shatkins will regret this.

It's a great shifting of team mindset. We are always loaded on power and hitting, now finally attention to bullpen, starters, and defense.