General Blue Jays Thread: 2024 Season
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This front office clearly values defense and pitching over offense. Barger and Martinez are not here because they don't have a position yet and they paid IKF to babysit where they could play until they made it impossible to keep them down. I was hoping that would happen in the spring but they both sucked.
I felt part of the reason they didn't go out and get anyone significant at third was for this very reason. Yes, we need their offense, but the front office has to be comfortable with their defense, and keeping them down a little longer to cook gives them that practice.
I have been waiting for two years for this--both prospects looked ready last year in spring training, but Barger got hurt and Martinez was striking out too much. So, I hope the move comes soon. To be fair, IKF, Clement and Schneider have done a decent to good job--but they are the ones who will be replaced. I doubt they move Springer until the off season.
I felt part of the reason they didn't go out and get anyone significant at third was for this very reason. Yes, we need their offense, but the front office has to be comfortable with their defense, and keeping them down a little longer to cook gives them that practice.
I have been waiting for two years for this--both prospects looked ready last year in spring training, but Barger got hurt and Martinez was striking out too much. So, I hope the move comes soon. To be fair, IKF, Clement and Schneider have done a decent to good job--but they are the ones who will be replaced. I doubt they move Springer until the off season.
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Any news on Joey Votto?
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Worst strike call I've seen in a while.
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Cool cool cool. Rodriguez to the 15 day.
So that's Rodriguez and Francis on the IL, Tiedemann not really, Manoah still struggling, and White claimed off waivers, leaves us with... bullpen days every 5th?
Lovely.
So that's Rodriguez and Francis on the IL, Tiedemann not really, Manoah still struggling, and White claimed off waivers, leaves us with... bullpen days every 5th?
Lovely.
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Parataxis wrote:Cool cool cool. Rodriguez to the 15 day.
So that's Rodriguez and Francis on the IL, Tiedmann not really, Manoah still struggling, and White claimed off waivers, leaves us with... bullpen days every 5th?
Lovely.
Manoah pitching well tonight (so far through 3 innings). Maybe he takes that next Rodrigues start??
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Shatkins era needs to stop. End the suffering.
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"Shatkins" references need to stop.
They are different people with different jobs. One has renovated a ball park, put in place the best minor league facilities in the game and cajoled ownership to increase spending to the point where they are among the big spenders in the league.
The other has done a generally poor job with those resources. "A" grade prospects haven't developed, extensions haven't been done, and in tough times has left his manager as a scapegoat.
I agree that one should be gone, the other seems to have done a really good job. But the whole Shatkins things is just so very old.
They are different people with different jobs. One has renovated a ball park, put in place the best minor league facilities in the game and cajoled ownership to increase spending to the point where they are among the big spenders in the league.
The other has done a generally poor job with those resources. "A" grade prospects haven't developed, extensions haven't been done, and in tough times has left his manager as a scapegoat.
I agree that one should be gone, the other seems to have done a really good job. But the whole Shatkins things is just so very old.
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Agreed. Ross Atkins needs to be shown the door before he makes things worse.
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JTT wrote:"Shatkins" references need to stop.
They are different people with different jobs. One has renovated a ball park, put in place the best minor league facilities in the game and cajoled ownership to increase spending to the point where they are among the big spenders in the league.
The other has done a generally poor job with those resources. "A" grade prospects haven't developed, extensions haven't been done, and in tough times has left his manager as a scapegoat.
I agree that one should be gone, the other seems to have done a really good job. But the whole Shatkins things is just so very old.
Eh, I think Shapiro is at an inflection point now. He's got two options.
i) He can keep the credit he earned with the renovations and fire Atkins, hiring somebody new to take over the team.
or
ii) He can stay loyal to 'his guy' and have his fate tied up in his.
Right now, he's got a safe job. But at some point, you need to ask that - if he refuses to move on from a GM - he bears the responsibility of that GM's decisions.
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What I find completely baffling is people complaining about the eggheads/stats guys making the decisions but...NONE OF THE DECISIONS MAKE SENSE STATS WISE. We just keep doing dumb **** over and over and over again.
9. Similarly, IF THOU HAST SPENT the entire offseason predicting that thy team will stink, thou shalt not gloat, nor even be happy, shouldst thou turn out to be correct. Realistic analysis is fine, but be a fan first, a smug smarty-pants second.
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C Court wrote:Agreed. Ross Atkins needs to be shown the door before he makes things worse.
He should have been gone right after the playoff debacle last fall. His terrible off season this past winter made mediocrity this season very predictable.
There goes my hero. Watch him as he goes.
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Brinbe wrote:
Still an extremely weak bottom 1/3
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