Fire John Schneider / Or the Analytics Staff and Above Now... just fire somebody for this!

[Randle McMurphy]

Analytics should be an input for the on-field manager's benefit. Tying a manager's hands behind his back before the game makes very little sense. I find it hard to believe that a bunch of smart people in the analytics department could think that it does.

What chance to we have of hiring a good manager if he's told he won't have full control over in-game decision making? I know I wouldn't that job.

They hired Charlie Montoyo and John Schneider, their only two managerial hires so far. Based on that, it’s pretty clear this management group doesn’t want a good manager. They want a puppet.

[C Court]

The front office can’t spin their way out of years of failure.

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[WaltFrazier]

JD bunkis on the Fan today had a guy who was a Marlins GM now a podcaster. Apparently an analytics Ivy League guy too. I missed the name, some of you will know. The guy was saying not to make too many changes. He said Shapiro is definitely the guy in charge of baseball not just stadium renos. JD was pushing him, asking would it be good for Shapiro to have a different set of eyes as GM, in other words fire Atkins. The guy said it would be impressive if Shapiro had the self awareness to do that and yes it would help. But he doubted it will happen because they're attached. After he hung up, JD who I usually can't stand, doubled down, really pushing the idea of removing Atkins. Interesting to hear Rogers employees really going after the GM.

[polo007]

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[WaltFrazier]

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One side question from the article - do the KC Royals not use analytics?

[Los_29]

I respect what Atkins has done here. He inherited an awful situation and managed to construct a very talented team. On paper, these are the types of teams that should do well. They are excellent defensively and have great pitching.

However, I am in shock at the in-game decisions that have been made. For that reason alone, changes need to be made. Simply unacceptable.

[Hottie McShotty]

Over the past eight years, Ross Atkins has been a part of the organization, but his contributions and achievements are often questioned. Despite being in charge, Atkins has failed to lead the team to any playoff victories and has been responsible for some highly questionable trades and signings. It's becoming increasingly apparent that both he and the analytics staff are making the in-game decisions, which raises concerns over how this team is being run. It's time for the organization to explore other options and move on from Atkins. The fans are not satisfied and demand more from the team. Bring someone else in who can do a better job.

[C Court]

Yes.

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[JN]

JD bunkis on the Fan today had a guy who was a Marlins GM now a podcaster. Apparently an analytics Ivy League guy too. I missed the name, some of you will know. The guy was saying not to make too many changes. He said Shapiro is definitely the guy in charge of baseball not just stadium renos. JD was pushing him, asking would it be good for Shapiro to have a different set of eyes as GM, in other words fire Atkins. The guy said it would be impressive if Shapiro had the self awareness to do that and yes it would help. But he doubted it will happen because they're attached. After he hung up, JD who I usually can't stand, doubled down, really pushing the idea of removing Atkins. Interesting to hear Rogers employees really going after the GM.

LOL David Samson - who inherited every job in baseball because he was the stepson of the Owner, and now pretends he is some expert even though no MLB team would touch that arrogrant entitled knob. **** him and his stepfather Jeffrey Loria. The fact that Toronto media is talking to this guy as some sort of expert is beyond embarrasing.

[Ranger One]

What a lot of people are missing regarding "the decision" is the bigger picture stuff. How are any of the blue jays players in that clubhouse supposed to trust ANY of the coaches there next year? The coaches and front office showed ZERO trust in someone who was supposed to be "their guy", the guy they gave $131 million to over 7 years. They embarrassed him on National TV. Why would any potential free agent, be it a pitcher or a hitter even consider coming to this dumpster fire of an embarrassment that is the Toronto Blue Jays now? We're gonna have to massively overpay for any guy we potentially go after. This is going to have far reaching consequences for this franchise for many years to come. Millions of people watched that game, including potential free agents, players, coaches, executives, analysts etc.

[Fairview4Life]

What a lot of people are missing regarding "the decision" is the bigger picture stuff. How are any of the blue jays players in that clubhouse supposed to trust ANY of the coaches there next year? The coaches and front office showed ZERO trust in someone who was supposed to be "their guy", the guy they gave $131 million to over 7 years. They embarrassed him on National TV. Why would any potential free agent, be it a pitcher or a hitter even consider coming to this dumpster fire of an embarrassment that is the Toronto Blue Jays now? We're gonna have to massively overpay for any guy we potentially go after. This is going to have far reaching consequences for this franchise for many years to come. Millions of people watched that game, including potential free agents, players, coaches, executives, analysts etc.

People will always come for the money. It doesn’t have to be a massive overpay.

Or the Jays need to actually start winning.

[C Court]

Ken Rosenthal's column touches on the importance of trusting players and the manager and the consequences of not trusting them.

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[Mehar]

This article sums up a lot of my feelings why Ross Atkins needs to be sent packing from Toronto after 8 seasons. Very well written. Ross Atkins presides over a bloated payroll that is in the Luxury Tax, a bottom tier farm system, aging roster, and made value destroying trades (Varsho for Gurriel/Moreno and Mitch White for Frasso). The end result is Zero AL East Pennants and 0-6 in their last 3 playoff appearances. Time for Ed Rogers to hand the keys to James Click.

With latest failure, it’s time for the Blue Jays to end the Ross Atkins experiment
https://jaysjournal.com/posts/with-latest-failure-its-time-for-the-blue-jays-to-end-the-ross-atkins-experiment

[ItsDanger]

Yes.

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For me, sports is more about entertainment. Followed sports long enough to know winning isn't always realistic (through various factors we all know by now). So, if the product becomes annoying because of murky decisions made off the field, its going to frustrate the fans. If analytics people from outside the team question the strategy then one must question the competence of the "analytics" department. I'd loved to hear the macro structure of the analysis. Just forcing a manager to flip typically platooned left handed hitters early in the game seems questionable. If that's true, why didn't he do it more often? Why was it not implemented in game 1? Just unbelievable.

Some of these types get married to their strategies thinking that it will work if just given time. Rogers need to fire many of them who are responsible.

[Randle McMurphy]

Ken Rosenthal's column touches on the importance of trusting players and the manager and the consequences of not trusting them.

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The performance/results of the actual baseball game should probably have some bearing on the decisions made in the baseball game, yeah. The Ivy league clowns in the Jays front office haven't quite grasped that concept yet though and I don't know that they ever will.

[ItsDanger]

Atkins: degree in economics at Wake Forest
Shapiro: degree in history at Princeton

These are the 2 Rogers is using to comprehend any use of analytics? LMAO. Now, people can develop much further beyond college in the workplace but the above facts are damning from my perspective.

[Randle McMurphy]

What's even better than a Friday news dump? They've just announced Atkins is doing his end-of-season presser with the media tomorrow morning on the Saturday of a long weekend.

Absolute cowardice, but typical for him.

[LLJ]

When your front office embarrasses an organization THIS much, they gotta be sent packing. That being said, Rogers gonna Rogers

[linery88]

Rosenthals interview with Tim McCalef...
Buck Martinez interview with Blair/Barker.
etc..
https://www.sportsnet.ca/videos/teams/toronto-blue-jays-video/
Ivy league clowns should watch the games,and not be watching out to see if their data predictions panned out.
Texas/Baltimore should be good "baseball" to watch.

[linery88]

What your front office embarrasses an organization THIS much, they gotta be sent packing. That being said, Rogers gonna Rogers

If Rogers does Rogers,they may lose a lot of fans.The scary question is if Rogers has figured out how to make a profit,regardless if fans go or even watch the Jays.Unfortunately,there are too many dumbed down fans who know or hear more about data,and analytics than they do about the game itself.All they have been hearing is numbers/news about players,and histrionics.Most of the broadcasters just talk up how great certain players are,and have been instructed in what to say,and talk about.On the positive side,dumbed down fans may be the ones who go to most of the games,and just wanna cheer their team regardless of how much they know about baseball,but that might even change after Berrios.Those fans themselves are not dumb,they have just been dumbed down by all the "NOISE"