Harden to the Cubs

SportsWorld · Post #1 » by **SportsWorld** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 10:35 pm

Rich Harden for Matt Murton, Sean Gallagher, Josh Donaldson, and Eric Patterson

Deal confirmed by Jim Hendry

bigboy1234 · Post #2 » by **bigboy1234** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 10:38 pm

Pretty good deal for the Cubbies.

Post #3 » by **TyCobb** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 10:42 pm

Wow...that's all Harden can get you?

meatball sub · Post #4 » by **meatball sub** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 10:49 pm

I didn't wanna post this on the Cubs board SW, but with how little the Cubs gave up are you worried that Harden is about to break down since OAK basically gave him away? Even if he does get hurt it's still prolly a good move if for nothing else but responding to MIL with a move of your own.

blueNorange · Post #5 » by **blueNorange** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 10:50 pm

TyCobb wrote:Wow...that's all Harden can get you?

i think chad gaudin is also in the deal.

SportsWorld · Post #6 » by **SportsWorld** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 10:55 pm

blueNorange wrote:
TyCobb wrote:Wow...that's all Harden can get you?

i think chad gaudin is also in the deal.

Yes, Gaudin is also in the deal. Lou said he would go to the bullpen and he could fill in if someone goes down.

blueNorange · Post #7 » by **blueNorange** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:02 pm

so ... who do the cardinals trade for??

Post #8 » by **studcrackers** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:06 pm

i am confused as to why shapiro and now beane are trading there best trade chips 3 weeks before the deadline, the longer you hold them the more there value can stay up

Post #9 » by **Da Schwab** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:14 pm

Looks like the Cubs didn't want to waste anytime, or risk falling back. The only bad part about this is that Harden could be Prior, Part II.

trwi7 · Post #10 » by **trwi7** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:18 pm

SportsWorld wrote:
blueNorange wrote:
TyCobb wrote:Wow...that's all Harden can get you?

i think chad gaudin is also in the deal.

Yes, Gaudin is also in the deal. Lou said he would go to the bullpen and he could fill in if someone goes down.

That's pretty stupid. I would put Gaudin in the rotation and put Marquis in the bullpen.

bigboy1234 · Post #11 » by **bigboy1234** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:20 pm

Da Schwab wrote:The only bad part about this is that Harden could be Prior, Part II.

bove310 wrote:but with how little the Cubs gave up are you worried that Harden is about to break down since OAK basically gave him away?

Lets hope.

studcrackers wrote:i am confused as to why shapiro and now beane are trading there best trade chips 3 weeks before the deadline, the longer you hold them the more there value can stay up

Harden has this injury problem you may have heard of.

blueNorange wrote:so ... who do the cardinals trade for??

Some prospects.

Scott T · Post #12 » by **Scott T** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:21 pm

*Sigh* Harden is such a fun pitcher to watch. Dude is so impressive. I hate seeing our top guys leave Oakland, but I'm used to it. At least he's goin to the Cubs a team I don't hate and can watch on WGN.

I'm no expert but it seems like Oakland didn't get that much in return, especially when you throw in Gaudin who can be extremely good as well.

Post #13 » by **GYBE** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:27 pm

Love the deal for the Cubs.

Murton and Patterson have are largely irrelevant. Both have massive defensive limitations (a little surprising these two were involved considering Oakland's latest defensive philosophy) and don't really hit enough to justify starting in a corner outfield spot.

Donaldson is still very raw and his position will be occupied by Geo for the next 7-8 years.

Gallagher is the only really valuable piece they gave up, and he's an alright #5 starter who could one day be a solid #3 guy or something. A good asset, but this trade helps the Cubs in the short-term much more. This team is ready to win now and Harden will massively help if he can magically stay healthy. It's a risk worth taking.

Zambrano - 2.96 ERA
Harden - 2.34 ERA
Dempster - 3.24 ERA
Lilly - 4.47 ERA
Marshall - 4.16 ERA

Plus, we get Gaudin who can help out a bullpen that's been less than stellar lately. I like it.

Comet · Post #14 » by **Comet** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:31 pm

This deal is very good on paper for the Cubs, but given Harden's injury history, whether or not he can stay healthy AND effective is very uncertain. He pitched in 38 games TOTAL from 2005-07, and he's even missed a few this year.

Post #15 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:49 am

I'm extremely pissed right now so it's time for me to talk a walk!

Post #16 » by **studcrackers** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 1:04 am

bigboy1234 wrote:
Da Schwab wrote:The only bad part about this is that Harden could be Prior, Part II.

bove310 wrote:but with how little the Cubs gave up are you worried that Harden is about to break down since OAK basically gave him away?

Lets hope.
studcrackers wrote:i am confused as to why shapiro and now beane are trading there best trade chips 3 weeks before the deadline, the longer you hold them the more there value can stay up

Harden has this injury problem you may have heard of.
blueNorange wrote:so ... who do the cardinals trade for??

Some prospects.

i can understand the reasoning behind beane trading harden before he got hurt, but 1 he got a crappy return and 2 had he and shapiro waited 2 weeks they both couldve gotten better packages then what they just received.

this just makes me appreciate what jon daniels did to the braves last year, his package is 2 times as good as either of these

Post #17 » by **sunshinekids99** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 3:26 am

I'm pretty much with everybody else. I would have thought Harden could have gotten more than that.

Mr Smoke Weed · Post #18 » by **Mr Smoke Weed** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 4:41 am

yall have to account for the fact hardens arm will spontaneously combust anytime now

Post #19 » by **Stanford** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 5:40 am

Canadians are invading the Cubs starting rotation.
Muahahaha

Gordon Bombay · Post #20 » by **Gordon Bombay** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 2:50 pm

Mr Smoke Weed wrote:yall have to account for the fact hardens arm will spontaneously combust anytime now

i look at as both teams have dominant horses (cc and big z) and dominant but injury prone guys (sheets and harden)