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Flash3 wrote:What did the steroids he take actually aide him in doing? What did he take and what are they supposed to do?

That's always been my issue with steroids. I don't know where the benefit is.

Flash3 wrote:

Pharmcat wrote:

Flash3 wrote:So, this basically shows he isn't as great of a player he has shown to be, now is it?

i dont think so...unless it comes out and shows he did HGH or something in the last 4 years

What did the steroids he take actually aide him in doing? What did he take and what are they supposed to do?

the #1 reason atheletes do steroids is to recover faster imo (other than those who just want to get jacked), i think thats the reason he did it....however, one can contend that it still wont help you catch up to a 97 mph fastball (which is true)

more than anything, with bigger bats, smaller parks, etc also have to do with increase in HR along with steroids

If A-Rod still wants to be in the HOF, he should become a humanitarian(donate ALOT of money to charity and maybe people will forgive him. No way will people just not take away his 2001-2003 stats during the HOF balloting procedure. Its not only about stats, look at Pete Rose.

Steroids let you keep going when others have to stop. I know a guy on the ones that the athletes were on back in the late 90's. They just let him continue 4 and 5 hours latter and he has to force himself to stop. The thing is though he is only suppose to take 6 a day and he also has to force himself to keep it to that.

Props to A-Rod for coming clean.

I don't see how anyone can deny it though, after they saw what happened to Roger.

How was the interview? I didn't catch it, I'm sure ESPN will replay it over and over though.

Celtics_Champs wrote:Props to A-Rod for coming clean.

I don't see how anyone can deny it though, after they saw what happened to Roger.

How was the interview? I didn't catch it, I'm sure ESPN will replay it over and over though.

After watching his i'view a few mins ago....

Is he really coming clean and apologizing from the heart? Or, is he just sorry he actually got caught? I mean, how can you be so stupid/naive of what's going into your body? And, he kept referring to GNC over and over and kept on sidetracking the actual questions Gammons was asking him.

IDK.

Flash3 wrote:

Celtics_Champs wrote:Props to A-Rod for coming clean.

I don't see how anyone can deny it though, after they saw what happened to Roger.

How was the interview? I didn't catch it, I'm sure ESPN will replay it over and over though.

After watching his i'view a few mins ago....

Is he really coming clean and apologizing from the heart? Or, is he just sorry he actually got caught? I mean, how can you be so stupid/naive of what's going into your body? And, he kept referring to GNC over and over and kept on sidetracking the actual questions Gammons was asking him.

IDK.

Just watched some of it on espn.com. Wow, selena roberts is trash. I hope her book fails.

I thought A-Rod did very well in this interview. He admitted to it. He apologized. What else does he need to say?

of course he's only sorry he got caught

Pharmcat wrote:the #1 reason atheletes do steroids is to recover faster imo (other than those who just want to get jacked), i think thats the reason he did it....however, one can contend that it still wont help you catch up to a 97 mph fastball (which is true)

more than anything, with bigger bats, smaller parks, etc also have to do with increase in HR along with steroids

The latter part of your statement is true. Plenty of ball parks are becoming "hitters parks" and less and less of "picthers parks" -- But, who's clean and who's not? How do we know he wasn't actually doing in the past 4 years, and not only until 2004? This season is going to say a lot for him and he HAS to produce with the world on his back.

cmavswin wrote:Steroids let you keep going when others have to stop.

So do amphetamines and they were being used long before 'roids.

Flash3 wrote:
What did the steroids he take actually aide him in doing? What did he take and what are they supposed to do?

From what I've read he failed the test for two steroids that are commonly used by professional bodybuilders. I don't remember the names of the substances, but basically one of them gets you big and the other helps with muscle definition. All I remember is that the one that helps you get cut starts with an "M".

If people are interested about how the "steroid boom" has affected--or I should say hasn't affected--league play, here are a couple good reads. They should be required reading for any aspiring sanctimonious baseball writer.

http://steroids-and-baseball.com/

http://steroids-and-baseball.com/healing-effects.shtml

Bulltalk wrote:

HCYanks wrote:Bulltalk,

Why does the steroid abuse ruin it for you in a way that decades of greenie (amphetamine) abuse didn't?

I don't know. It just doesn't, though.

Does not compute.

Wow, this could be the most useless piece of sports news I have read in awhile.

When Jamal Mashburn Hurt Selena Roberts
10th February, 2009 - 2:36 pm
New York Daily News - Selena Roberts, the reporter who broke the Alex Rodriguez steroids story, was once a beat writer that covered the New York Knicks for the New York Times.

Frank Isola of the New York Daily News recounts the 2000 playoffs when Miami's Jamal Mashburn, upset over a non-call at the end of the first half, kicked the scorer's table which slammed into Robert's shoulder. Mashburn later apologized to Roberts.

And I mean to make fun of the NYD news, not the wiretap.

Celtics_Champs wrote:Wow, this could be the most useless piece of sports news I have read in awhile.

When Jamal Mashburn Hurt Selena Roberts
10th February, 2009 - 2:36 pm
New York Daily News - Selena Roberts, the reporter who broke the Alex Rodriguez steroids story, was once a beat writer that covered the New York Knicks for the New York Times.

Frank Isola of the New York Daily News recounts the 2000 playoffs when Miami's Jamal Mashburn, upset over a non-call at the end of the first half, kicked the scorer's table which slammed into Robert's shoulder. Mashburn later apologized to Roberts.

And I mean to make fun of the NYD news, not the wiretap.

Called being part of the "news" instead of reporting on it.

DrugBust wrote:

cmavswin wrote:Steroids let you keep going when others have to stop.

So do amphetamines and they were being used long before 'roids.

Yes, but Steroids let you get back from injury faster and make you stronger. Does'nt matter what your taking though if you use you cheat bottom line.

So who does that leave in terms of sluggers whose names haven't popped up in any steroid discussions?

Off the top of my head:

Griffey
Thomas
Manny
Delgado
Thome
Pujols
Dunn
Howard

I sure hope we don't hear anything about them in the future. With the way things have been going I wouldn't be surprised though.

It's hard to tell who's clean or not. I guess it's a good sign if your name hasn't showed up anywhere yet.

DrugBust wrote:

Flash3 wrote:What did the steroids he take actually aide him in doing? What did he take and what are they supposed to do?

That's always been my issue with steroids. I don't know where the benefit is.

If you look at the coinciding jump home runs, it obviously does something.

I'm pretty sure there's a correlation between strength and how far you can hit the ball.

Worm Guts wrote:If you look at the coinciding jump home runs, it obviously does something.

The problem with directly correlating the 90s power explosion and steroids is that there were many other factors involved, like smaller parks, juiced baseballs, a downturn in baseline pitching talent. Sure, some of those numbers are probably due to steroids, but how much is incredibly debatable.

I'm pretty sure there's a correlation between strength and how far you can hit the ball.

One of the prominent studies relating production to increased muscle mass (whether via natural or artificial means) is that an increase in muscle mass positively affects players with mechanically-sound swings more than players with bad swing mechanics. Basically if you have an inefficient swing, you’re not going to get any kind of tangible results from increasing muscle mass. Which I guess explains Jeremy Giambi.