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Jorge Cantu is not a happy bunny

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Post#1 » by Three34 » Mon Apr 2, 2007 2:33 am

Jonny Gomes is on the team, Jorge Cantu is not.
That's how it went down early Saturday morning when the Devil Rays pared down their roster to 25.

Cantu, who was the team's top offensive player in 2005 when he had 28 home runs and 117 RBIs, did not like the news he had been optioned to Triple-A Durham, but showed class responding to questions after receiving it.

"What can I say, I'm not a Minor League player," Cantu said. "I think a change of scenery would be best."

With Cantu gone, B.J. Upton will start most games at second base; Ty Wigginton and Brendan Harris will also see time at the position.

After the club experimented with Upton at several positions this spring, the 22-year-old seems closer to finding a Major League position than ever before. Upton brings an unparalleled athleticism to the position, where the Rays hope he will blossom offensively and make the routine defensive plays.

Cantu elaborated by saying he asked the Rays to trade him.

"And it's just for the best," Cantu said. "I don't have anything to prove down there. I guess I have to go."

Rays manager Joe Maddon explained the decision.

"We just chose Jon's bat right now," Maddon said. "Jorge, we just felt like there was a lack of a position. Jon, we feel we can put him in the outfield now because he is functional. Jorge, we weren't going to play him at second base. We didn't see first base as a viable option right now. And we had other things we wanted to do with the DH role. On all three counts, it kind of knocked him out of there."

Cantu, who battled injuries throughout the 2006 season, finished with a disappointing .249 batting average, 14 home runs and 62 RBIs. On the final day of the season, he vowed to come to camp in the best shape of his career. He worked hard in the offseason and felt he had accomplished the task, which made Saturday's news even more disappointing.

"It was like I didn't do anything -- like I just sat on my butt and waited for spring to begin," Cantu said. "But it's OK, it's a business. ... They just decided it was best. And I guess they decided I didn't fit into their plans for this season. That's pretty much what it's all about. Whatever, I don't even have any words any more."

Cantu said he has not decided whether he will report to Durham if he's not traded. During the course of Cantu's conversation with Maddon, the manager told him to take some time to think about what he wanted to do.

"And that's what I'm going to do," said Cantu, who plans to go home to Mexico for such thoughts.

Maddon would like to see Cantu remain with the organization.

"Jorge is a wonderful young man, and we're hoping he goes to Triple-A and gets everything in order," Maddon said. "But primarily we took him off of second base and that really limited the options."


He may have "gotten in shape", but it's not like he corrected a lot. He still has big holes in his wing, crappy second base defense, didn't seem to bother learning 1st, strikes out all the damn time, and doesn't walk enough to justify it.

It's not that I don't like him - I do, and wish he was still here. But don't get uppity here Jorge. You have one good year, and even that was flawed. Mend the flaws first, then you'll be back. Oh, and learn first base. Had youd one so, you might not have just lost out to Carlos Pena.
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Post#2 » by OSBB » Mon Apr 2, 2007 2:40 am

eff him. We don't need a guy who'll hit .240 and play defense like a statue.
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Post#3 » by Three34 » Mon Apr 2, 2007 2:42 am

Well obviously not the defense bit, but if he could play first, there's no reason he couldn't have the Pena/Norton role if he worked at it. But I guess not.
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Post#4 » by SmallTownJournalist303 » Mon Apr 2, 2007 4:04 am

Cantu at first base? Ew. He loses any value he potentially has by moving him there, even if his defense does suck at second.
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Post#5 » by Three34 » Mon Apr 2, 2007 4:07 am

Not really. If he could play first base, he could stay in the major leagues.
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Post#6 » by kg2005 » Mon Apr 2, 2007 5:17 am

Yeah, but he would be pretty average at first base. He had some positional value at second. I think it was for the best to get rid of him when you have Upton sitting there needing a position.
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Post#7 » by BlackMamba » Tue Apr 3, 2007 12:37 am

wow... didnt know he was not that good as i thought he was...
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Post#8 » by Three34 » Tue Apr 3, 2007 12:46 am

Well hit .280something, had 28 homeruns and 117 RBI's in 2005 while playing at second base. Pretty impressive stuff from a second baseman. But, it was flawed. He struck out a lot, never ever walked, and played shocking defense. Last year, he started decently, then broke his foot, and never played well upon his return. His average tailed off, his walk rate improved slightly but weren't good enough, his power numbers dipped, and he still played shocking defense. Coming into spring this year, he was healthy, a bit trimmer, and didn't hit all that badly in spring. But the flaws remained, and the fact that his defense was so bad at second led to him getting replaced for pretty much that only reason.

So yeah. he's not much. He should learn right field or first or something. He's not good enough of a hitter to just DH, he's gotta be tolerable at at least one position. Alternatively, he could just work flat out on his skills at second. He doesn't seem to have done that.
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Post#9 » by OSBB » Tue Apr 3, 2007 12:49 am

I remember him hitting cleanup for us last year while hitting like .200. Awful.
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Post#10 » by Three34 » Tue Apr 3, 2007 12:54 am

Well, that was last year. Some .200 hitter had to it. Rather Cantu than Travis bloody Lee. Or Russell Branyan. Or Tomas Perez. Or Damon Hollins. And Zobrist and Upton also hit Mendoza line stuff. Bad times. Bad times.

Still, Norton. Yay!
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Post#11 » by Three34 » Tue Apr 3, 2007 12:56 am

By the way, this mini conversation led me to look up Cantu's stats from last year, and I noticed something I hadn't before. His home an droad splits.

At home:

.292 average
.337 OBP
.464 slugging
.800 OPS

THat's OK, even with a strikeout in every 4 at bats.

On the road, though, he was dogtoss.

.213 average
.258 OBP
.353 slugging
.611 OPS.


So, yeah, that means nothing at all.
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Post#12 » by OSBB » Tue Apr 3, 2007 12:57 am

Sham wrote:Well, that was last year. Some .200 hitter had to it. Rather Cantu than Travis bloody Lee. Or Russell Branyan. Or Tomas Perez. Or Damon Hollins. And Zobrist and Upton also hit Mendoza line stuff. Bad times. Bad times.

Still, Norton. Yay!


Our lineup next year is gonna be other-worldly (assuming Brignac and Longo come up).

We need to look at moving Dukes to 1B.
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Post#13 » by Three34 » Tue Apr 3, 2007 12:59 am

If Longoria comes up, do they make him or Iwamura a short stop?
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Post#14 » by Three34 » Tue Apr 3, 2007 1:00 am

EDIT - Oh, wait, I confused Brignac and Bankston. Ignore that.
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Post#15 » by OSBB » Tue Apr 3, 2007 1:03 am

C Riggans?
1B Dukes (such a waste to have him at first, but...)
2B Upton
SS Brignac
3B Longo
LF Crawford
CF Baldelli
RF Young

Aki is the odd man.
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Post#16 » by Three34 » Tue Apr 3, 2007 1:04 am

Helluva lot of money to give somebody to then not to do anything. Keep Wigginton there, he's awesome. And deal somebody for a pitcher that doesn't suck.
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Post#17 » by OSBB » Tue Apr 3, 2007 1:05 am

Sham wrote:Helluva lot of money to give somebody to then not to do anything. Keep Wigginton there, he's awesome. And deal somebody for a pitcher that doesn't suck.


We should've traded Baldelli for a pitcher, in retrospect.

Hopefully he has a great season so we can get a legit #2 for him.
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Post#18 » by Three34 » Tue Apr 3, 2007 1:07 am

Baldelli's not expendable yet, I reckon. Deadline time maybe. Time to prove that that power surge of last season wasn't just a bit fluky. Taking a damn walk would do him good.

Maybe the Yankees would give up Chien Mien Wang for him, given that Johnny Damon is crap and that.
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Post#19 » by craig01 » Thu Apr 5, 2007 12:21 am

Eventually, somebody in OF has to go if they all stay healthy.

I don't think the Rays could get a #2 for Baldelli though. At least not yet.

I'd hate to see him go though.
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