Tyreke Hill traded to Dolphins

[wco81]

What's the over/under before Hill complaints about Tua?

4 games?

[Duke4life831]

I think it's a great move by the Chiefs. With Mahomes massive contract on the books they need to be very smart where they spend their money.

And no doubt they're banking on Mahomes being able to make any weapons work. Then you add on how quickly we're seeing your WRs making immediate impacts. I'm sure they're betting on getting a talented young WR in the draft and with Mahomes it will be a good connection and it will be very cheap.

Knowing they weren't looking to have the most expressive WR in the league, getting this massive return is a great move by them.

[Cactus Jack]

When Mahomes extension kicks in, expect more players either restructuring their deals or leaving.

It kicks in now. That's likely why KC decided to move him. They will have less money going forward. They're still paying guys like Chris Jones & Frank Clark.

[Cactus Jack]

I think it's a great move by the Chiefs. With Mahomes massive contract on the books they need to be very smart where they spend their money.

And no doubt they're banking on Mahomes being able to make any weapons work. Then you add on how quickly we're seeing your WRs making immediate impacts. I'm sure they're betting on getting a talented young WR in the draft and with Mahomes it will be a good connection and it will be very cheap.

Knowing they weren't looking to have the most expressive WR in the league, getting this massive return is a great move by them.

Long-term? Yeah. Short term? No. You're not going to replace Hill.

[Duke4life831]

I think it's a great move by the Chiefs. With Mahomes massive contract on the books they need to be very smart where they spend their money.

And no doubt they're banking on Mahomes being able to make any weapons work. Then you add on how quickly we're seeing your WRs making immediate impacts. I'm sure they're betting on getting a talented young WR in the draft and with Mahomes it will be a good connection and it will be very cheap.

Knowing they weren't looking to have the most expressive WR in the league, getting this massive return is a great move by them.

Long-term? Yeah. Short term? No. You're not going to replace Hill.

Oh I agree you can't replace Hill. But ya I think it's pretty clear that the Chiefs knew that no matter what this would be their last year with Hill. So I think they probably viewed it as one more run with Hill then lose him for nothing, vs this route. And with Mahomes locked in long term, I can't fault them for taking the long term route.

[LightTheBeam]

I think it's a great move by the Chiefs. With Mahomes massive contract on the books they need to be very smart where they spend their money.

And no doubt they're banking on Mahomes being able to make any weapons work. Then you add on how quickly we're seeing your WRs making immediate impacts. I'm sure they're betting on getting a talented young WR in the draft and with Mahomes it will be a good connection and it will be very cheap.

Knowing they weren't looking to have the most expressive WR in the league, getting this massive return is a great move by them.

Long-term? Yeah. Short term? No. You're not going to replace Hill.

Oh I agree you can't replace Hill. But ya I think it's pretty clear that the Chiefs knew that no matter what this would be their last year with Hill. So I think they probably viewed it as one more run with Hill then lose him for nothing, vs this route. And with Mahomes locked in long term, I can't fault them for taking the long term route.

Ya I mean this is it. We have seen WRs making immediate impacts year after year. Waddle, Chase, Smith, Amon Ra. The year before Ceedee, Higgins, Jefferson, Aiyuk, Claypool.

You won't replace Tyreek this season. But Mahomes is 26, in 3 years the guy you draft in the 1st will be better than Tyreek. And you can attempt to replace his production by spreading it out. Hardman, Juju, MVS, Gordon, Kelce, a 1st round pick. Getting Clyde more involved in the pass game. It's not like they are poverty level like the Packers once they lost Adams. They still have some pieces here.

[wco81]

Although Hill probably lifted the defense so gave a lot of room for Kelce and others to operate.

[azcatz11]

I'm going to call it right now - this will go down as one of the top 5 worst trades in NFL history. You're giving up that much draft capital for a receiver who probably only has another 2 prime years left AND paying him that much money? Receiver is still a premium position but we've seen way too many 2nd and 3rd round guys in recent years who have elite production.

[bwgood77]

I like it. They should trade Travis Kelce next.

[Cactus Jack]

I'm going to call it right now - this will go down as one of the top 5 worst trades in NFL history. You're giving up that much draft capital for a receiver who probably only has another 2 prime years left AND paying him that much money? Receiver is still a premium position but we've seen way too many 2nd and 3rd round guys in recent years who have elite production.

Do you think the Raiders also gave up too much for Adams? Because the value is about the same.

[azcatz11]

I'm going to call it right now - this will go down as one of the top 5 worst trades in NFL history. You're giving up that much draft capital for a receiver who probably only has another 2 prime years left AND paying him that much money? Receiver is still a premium position but we've seen way too many 2nd and 3rd round guys in recent years who have elite production.

Do you think the Raiders also gave up too much for Adams? Because the value is about the same.

I didn't realize that. I do. I'm all for giving up draft picks for elite QB's but not for WR's who are almost 30. Look at Julio. He's been washed for a couple of seasons and that was his aged 30-31 year.

[Cactus Jack]

I'm going to call it right now - this will go down as one of the top 5 worst trades in NFL history. You're giving up that much draft capital for a receiver who probably only has another 2 prime years left AND paying him that much money? Receiver is still a premium position but we've seen way too many 2nd and 3rd round guys in recent years who have elite production.

Do you think the Raiders also gave up too much for Adams? Because the value is about the same.

I didn't realize that. I do. I'm all for giving up draft picks for elite QB's but not for WR's who are almost 30. Look at Julio. He's been washed for a couple of seasons and that was his aged 30-31 year.

A- Adams compensation
B- Hill compensation

[azcatz11]

Do you think the Raiders also gave up too much for Adams? Because the value is about the same.

I didn't realize that. I do. I'm all for giving up draft picks for elite QB's but not for WR's who are almost 30. Look at Julio. He's been washed for a couple of seasons and that was his aged 30-31 year.

A- Adams compensation
B- Hill compensation

What is your opinion Jack? Give me a flyer on a second rounder all day baby

[Cactus Jack]

What is your opinion Jack? Give me a flyer on a second rounder all day baby

Day three picks (Rounds 4-7) don't do much for me. I think it's a decent return. Fair value. Getting two picks in the top 50. But I don't think it's a slam dunk by any means.

The chances of them getting someone as good as him with those picks, I'd say is low. But the added cap flexibility likely makes it worthwhile.

[BBallFreak]

Nobody has bothered to look at this for Miami? What are they going to look like on the perimeter with Waddle and Hill both offering game breaking speed, while Wilson and Parker add dynamism? And over the middle with Gesicki? Out of the backfield with Edmonds? They can run with short passes all day, but with Armstead and Williams on the left side and Miami being able to use Eichenberg, Jackson, and Hunt any way they choose, they may be able to give Tua enough time to prove how big his arm actually is.

Miami is clearly going to be running a West Coast style offense with two insanely fast and reliable wide receivers and what should be an improved run game. Both of Miami's receivers can play the Deebo Samuel role in Miami. They are going to be a much more potent offense, that's for sure...

[wco81]

What are the odds that the Chiefs would have had to cut him next year because they weren't going to come to any agreement on an extension?

[bluejerseyjinx]

What is your opinion Jack? Give me a flyer on a second rounder all day baby

Day three picks (Rounds 4-7) don't do much for me. I think it's a decent return. Fair value. Getting two picks in the top 50. But I don't think it's a slam dunk by any means.

The chances of them getting someone as good as him with those picks, I'd say is low. But the added cap flexibility likely makes it worthwhile.

With an extra 1,2, & 4 round pick, I can see the Chiefs moving up and getting a new stud WR in this year's draft. This is almost the same thing Jimmy Johnson did with Hershal Walker for the Cowboys. Hill was on the last year of his contract and was going to go anyway. Chiefs instead got 5 picks before he got out the door. Chiefs would have got nothing if they waited this one out. Hate to see him go but it was a great move by the Chiefs. Chiefs betting on Mahomes and not Hill heading forward.

[azcatz11]

Nobody has bothered to look at this for Miami? What are they going to look like on the perimeter with Waddle and Hill both offering game breaking speed, while Wilson and Parker add dynamism? And over the middle with Gesicki? Out of the backfield with Edmonds? They can run with short passes all day, but with Armstead and Williams on the left side and Miami being able to use Eichenberg, Jackson, and Hunt any way they choose, they may be able to give Tua enough time to prove how big his arm actually is.

Miami is clearly going to be running a West Coast style offense with two insanely fast and reliable wide receivers and what should be an improved run game. Both of Miami's receivers can play the Deebo Samuel role in Miami. They are going to be a much more potent offense, that's for sure...

Maybe. This reminds me of the Redskins situation in the early 00's when they signed a bunch of FA's and nothing happened. Tua is still an average QB at this point. If he improves and reaches his potential you guys are SB contenders but it all hinges on him.

[wco81]

Those Alabama QBs never had to throw into tight windows often.

[Mich3006]

I'm going to call it right now - this will go down as one of the top 5 worst trades in NFL history. You're giving up that much draft capital for a receiver who probably only has another 2 prime years left AND paying him that much money? Receiver is still a premium position but we've seen way too many 2nd and 3rd round guys in recent years who have elite production.

Do you think the Raiders also gave up too much for Adams? Because the value is about the same.

It was much value but the Dolphins can cope with. They still have two 1sts in 2023. Raiders had to go for Adams too, you can´t decline the possibility to add the best WR in the game rn.

The bigger issues are that big long term contracts (for both Reek and Tae).