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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Jerry needs a new plan to convince Cowboy Nation to drink the cool aid for the next 2 years.
Mr B wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:No, they would take Maye.
So it’s your opinion that a team on the verge of winning (only needs a good QB) would rather take the chance that a rookie QB than adding an All Pro QB in his prime? That’s what you’re saying?
QB_Eagles wrote:bluejerseyjinx wrote:Jerry needs a new plan to convince Cowboy Nation to drink the cool aid for the next 2 years.
Buy the Chiefs and switch rosters?
Just kidding, Cowboys fans will always drink the kool-aid.
If I don't hear from him soon I might have to send the paramedic's over to check on him. 
Cactus Jack wrote:Mr B wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:No, they would take Maye.
So it’s your opinion that a team on the verge of winning (only needs a good QB) would rather take the chance that a rookie QB than adding an All Pro QB in his prime? That’s what you’re saying?
Teams are going to put more value on the younger QB, playing on a rookie contract. There's high value in that.
Maye is a very good prospect. It would probably be in his best interest to sit for a year & get acclimated. But he's a better QB prospect than a lot of guys who have come out recently. Justin Herbert is the name that is mostly associated with him. But I think he's a better prospect than Herbert was coming out.
If you're trading for Dak, you also have to factor in the money that he'll be making & how it will impact the cap. It's not a secret that having a good starting QB on a rookie deal can be a massive advantage for teams.
Dak also hasn't proven that he can win the big games when it truly matters. Teams will take the chance on the younger QB. They'd be foolish not to.
It's why I've been saying that Jerry should pull the trigger & draft a QB to replace Dak. His value now will never be higher.
Mr B wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Mr B wrote:So it’s your opinion that a team on the verge of winning (only needs a good QB) would rather take the chance that a rookie QB than adding an All Pro QB in his prime? That’s what you’re saying?
Teams are going to put more value on the younger QB, playing on a rookie contract. There's high value in that.
Maye is a very good prospect. It would probably be in his best interest to sit for a year & get acclimated. But he's a better QB prospect than a lot of guys who have come out recently. Justin Herbert is the name that is mostly associated with him. But I think he's a better prospect than Herbert was coming out.
If you're trading for Dak, you also have to factor in the money that he'll be making & how it will impact the cap. It's not a secret that having a good starting QB on a rookie deal can be a massive advantage for teams.
Dak also hasn't proven that he can win the big games when it truly matters. Teams will take the chance on the younger QB. They'd be foolish not to.
It's why I've been saying that Jerry should pull the trigger & draft a QB to replace Dak. His value now will never be higher.
Again I point to Kirk Cousins who is 36, coming off an achillies injury, and also hasn’t won anything in his career. He just got $45M+. You may have 1 or 2 teams that would prefer the rookie contract however the vast majority would prefer the All Pro QB. Dak is a known commodity. Everyone has seen him play and everyone knows he’s a good QB. We have no idea what Drake Maye is going to be. Very few teams with SB aspirations would gamble on a rookie QB to lead them there when they have a shot at acquiring an All Pro QB in his prime.
Mr B wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Mr B wrote:So it’s your opinion that a team on the verge of winning (only needs a good QB) would rather take the chance that a rookie QB than adding an All Pro QB in his prime? That’s what you’re saying?
Teams are going to put more value on the younger QB, playing on a rookie contract. There's high value in that.
Maye is a very good prospect. It would probably be in his best interest to sit for a year & get acclimated. But he's a better QB prospect than a lot of guys who have come out recently. Justin Herbert is the name that is mostly associated with him. But I think he's a better prospect than Herbert was coming out.
If you're trading for Dak, you also have to factor in the money that he'll be making & how it will impact the cap. It's not a secret that having a good starting QB on a rookie deal can be a massive advantage for teams.
Dak also hasn't proven that he can win the big games when it truly matters. Teams will take the chance on the younger QB. They'd be foolish not to.
It's why I've been saying that Jerry should pull the trigger & draft a QB to replace Dak. His value now will never be higher.
Again I point to Kirk Cousins who is 36, coming off an achillies injury, and also hasn’t won anything in his career. He just got $45M+. You may have 1 or 2 teams that would prefer the rookie contract however the vast majority would prefer the All Pro QB. Dak is a known commodity. Everyone has seen him play and everyone knows he’s a good QB. We have no idea what Drake Maye is going to be. Very few teams with SB aspirations would gamble on a rookie QB to lead them there when they have a shot at acquiring an All Pro QB in his prime.
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Mr B wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Teams are going to put more value on the younger QB, playing on a rookie contract. There's high value in that.
Maye is a very good prospect. It would probably be in his best interest to sit for a year & get acclimated. But he's a better QB prospect than a lot of guys who have come out recently. Justin Herbert is the name that is mostly associated with him. But I think he's a better prospect than Herbert was coming out.
If you're trading for Dak, you also have to factor in the money that he'll be making & how it will impact the cap. It's not a secret that having a good starting QB on a rookie deal can be a massive advantage for teams.
Dak also hasn't proven that he can win the big games when it truly matters. Teams will take the chance on the younger QB. They'd be foolish not to.
It's why I've been saying that Jerry should pull the trigger & draft a QB to replace Dak. His value now will never be higher.
Again I point to Kirk Cousins who is 36, coming off an achillies injury, and also hasn’t won anything in his career. He just got $45M+. You may have 1 or 2 teams that would prefer the rookie contract however the vast majority would prefer the All Pro QB. Dak is a known commodity. Everyone has seen him play and everyone knows he’s a good QB. We have no idea what Drake Maye is going to be. Very few teams with SB aspirations would gamble on a rookie QB to lead them there when they have a shot at acquiring an All Pro QB in his prime.
O.K. Micah.
Cactus Jack wrote:Mr B wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Teams are going to put more value on the younger QB, playing on a rookie contract. There's high value in that.
Maye is a very good prospect. It would probably be in his best interest to sit for a year & get acclimated. But he's a better QB prospect than a lot of guys who have come out recently. Justin Herbert is the name that is mostly associated with him. But I think he's a better prospect than Herbert was coming out.
If you're trading for Dak, you also have to factor in the money that he'll be making & how it will impact the cap. It's not a secret that having a good starting QB on a rookie deal can be a massive advantage for teams.
Dak also hasn't proven that he can win the big games when it truly matters. Teams will take the chance on the younger QB. They'd be foolish not to.
It's why I've been saying that Jerry should pull the trigger & draft a QB to replace Dak. His value now will never be higher.
Again I point to Kirk Cousins who is 36, coming off an achillies injury, and also hasn’t won anything in his career. He just got $45M+. You may have 1 or 2 teams that would prefer the rookie contract however the vast majority would prefer the All Pro QB. Dak is a known commodity. Everyone has seen him play and everyone knows he’s a good QB. We have no idea what Drake Maye is going to be. Very few teams with SB aspirations would gamble on a rookie QB to lead them there when they have a shot at acquiring an All Pro QB in his prime.
If Atlanta had a top 3 pick, they would choose Maye. Same applies to any other team.
The Falcons signed Cousins because they knew that was their best option at upgrading the position. But they would take a young QB (Caleb, Maye, Daniels) on a rookie contract if they had the choice.
Mr B wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Mr B wrote:Again I point to Kirk Cousins who is 36, coming off an achillies injury, and also hasn’t won anything in his career. He just got $45M+. You may have 1 or 2 teams that would prefer the rookie contract however the vast majority would prefer the All Pro QB. Dak is a known commodity. Everyone has seen him play and everyone knows he’s a good QB. We have no idea what Drake Maye is going to be. Very few teams with SB aspirations would gamble on a rookie QB to lead them there when they have a shot at acquiring an All Pro QB in his prime.
If Atlanta had a top 3 pick, they would choose Maye. Same applies to any other team.
The Falcons signed Cousins because they knew that was their best option at upgrading the position. But they would take a young QB (Caleb, Maye, Daniels) on a rookie contract if they had the choice.
The Falcons have the #8 pick in the draft. If they wanted to get into the top 3 to draft a QB they could do it pretty easily. They chose to go for the veteran QB that puts up huge numbers. GM’s lose their jobs all the time for missing on QB’s high in the draft. They would gladly take an All Pro QB in his prime over a rookie.
Cactus Jack wrote:Mr B wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:If Atlanta had a top 3 pick, they would choose Maye. Same applies to any other team.
The Falcons signed Cousins because they knew that was their best option at upgrading the position. But they would take a young QB (Caleb, Maye, Daniels) on a rookie contract if they had the choice.
The Falcons have the #8 pick in the draft. If they wanted to get into the top 3 to draft a QB they could do it pretty easily. They chose to go for the veteran QB that puts up huge numbers. GM’s lose their jobs all the time for missing on QB’s high in the draft. They would gladly take an All Pro QB in his prime over a rookie.
Except all three of those teams need a QB. The expectation is that Washington & New England will take one. Maybe they thought the cost was too high.
The most logical thing to do is to draft a QB if you're Washington or New England. Atlanta would essentially be settling for the 4th or 5th QB at that point.
DOT wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Mr B wrote:The Falcons have the #8 pick in the draft. If they wanted to get into the top 3 to draft a QB they could do it pretty easily. They chose to go for the veteran QB that puts up huge numbers. GM’s lose their jobs all the time for missing on QB’s high in the draft. They would gladly take an All Pro QB in his prime over a rookie.
Except all three of those teams need a QB. The expectation is that Washington & New England will take one. Maybe they thought the cost was too high.
The most logical thing to do is to draft a QB if you're Washington or New England. Atlanta would essentially be settling for the 4th or 5th QB at that point.
Honestly, I can convince myself pretty easily if I were New England that taking Marvin Harrison Jr. and punting on a QB could be the better option.
Cactus Jack wrote:I think you have to take one of the QB's or trade the pick. They need more picks to rebuild that team. Similar to what Arizona was able to accomplish last year. If you're not sold on a QB, then sell to the highest bidder.
MHJ by himself, is not going to fix that team. He's not even the best WR talent in this class imo.
Cactus Jack wrote:Mr B wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Teams are going to put more value on the younger QB, playing on a rookie contract. There's high value in that.
Maye is a very good prospect. It would probably be in his best interest to sit for a year & get acclimated. But he's a better QB prospect than a lot of guys who have come out recently. Justin Herbert is the name that is mostly associated with him. But I think he's a better prospect than Herbert was coming out.
If you're trading for Dak, you also have to factor in the money that he'll be making & how it will impact the cap. It's not a secret that having a good starting QB on a rookie deal can be a massive advantage for teams.
Dak also hasn't proven that he can win the big games when it truly matters. Teams will take the chance on the younger QB. They'd be foolish not to.
It's why I've been saying that Jerry should pull the trigger & draft a QB to replace Dak. His value now will never be higher.
Again I point to Kirk Cousins who is 36, coming off an achillies injury, and also hasn’t won anything in his career. He just got $45M+. You may have 1 or 2 teams that would prefer the rookie contract however the vast majority would prefer the All Pro QB. Dak is a known commodity. Everyone has seen him play and everyone knows he’s a good QB. We have no idea what Drake Maye is going to be. Very few teams with SB aspirations would gamble on a rookie QB to lead them there when they have a shot at acquiring an All Pro QB in his prime.
If Atlanta had a top 3 pick, they would choose Maye. Same applies to any other team.
The Falcons signed Cousins because they knew that was their best option at upgrading the position. But they would take a young QB (Caleb, Maye, Daniels) on a rookie contract if they had the choice.
Cactus Jack wrote:Mr Swagtastic wrote:Chicago would be stupid to turn down Ceedee for #9. Ceedee gives Caleb a legit weapon who is arguably a top 5 WR. If Dallas got that deal for Dak I don't see why you move Ceedee I mean why not pair Marvin Harrison Jr and Ceedee with Sanders or Beck if you get lucky. Again Jerry won't tank because he believes Dallas is the only football team
Ceedee is a really good player. But I would never entertain that sort of deal. You're going to get a great player at 9. There's a good chance that either Odunze or Bowers falls to that spot.
Would I entertain it some other year? Maybe. But this draft is loaded with blue chip guys in that range. Nabers, Odunze, Bowers.
The cost of paying CD ($30+Mil) just isn't worth it in my mind. I'd take the young stud on a cheap rookie deal, every time.
Cactus Jack wrote:Mr B wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:If Atlanta had a top 3 pick, they would choose Maye. Same applies to any other team.
The Falcons signed Cousins because they knew that was their best option at upgrading the position. But they would take a young QB (Caleb, Maye, Daniels) on a rookie contract if they had the choice.
The Falcons have the #8 pick in the draft. If they wanted to get into the top 3 to draft a QB they could do it pretty easily. They chose to go for the veteran QB that puts up huge numbers. GM’s lose their jobs all the time for missing on QB’s high in the draft. They would gladly take an All Pro QB in his prime over a rookie.
Except all three of those teams need a QB. The expectation is that Washington & New England will take one. Maybe they thought the cost was too high.
The most logical thing to do is to draft a QB if you're Washington or New England. Atlanta would essentially be settling for the 4th or 5th QB at that point.
Mariner wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Mr Swagtastic wrote:Chicago would be stupid to turn down Ceedee for #9. Ceedee gives Caleb a legit weapon who is arguably a top 5 WR. If Dallas got that deal for Dak I don't see why you move Ceedee I mean why not pair Marvin Harrison Jr and Ceedee with Sanders or Beck if you get lucky. Again Jerry won't tank because he believes Dallas is the only football team
Ceedee is a really good player. But I would never entertain that sort of deal. You're going to get a great player at 9. There's a good chance that either Odunze or Bowers falls to that spot.
Would I entertain it some other year? Maybe. But this draft is loaded with blue chip guys in that range. Nabers, Odunze, Bowers.
The cost of paying CD ($30+Mil) just isn't worth it in my mind. I'd take the young stud on a cheap rookie deal, every time.
That’s what the titans thought when they traded Brown.
Let’s draft his replacement and get about 75 percent of his production at a fraction of cost.
It’s not always that easy.
Cactus Jack wrote:Mariner wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Ceedee is a really good player. But I would never entertain that sort of deal. You're going to get a great player at 9. There's a good chance that either Odunze or Bowers falls to that spot.
Would I entertain it some other year? Maybe. But this draft is loaded with blue chip guys in that range. Nabers, Odunze, Bowers.
The cost of paying CD ($30+Mil) just isn't worth it in my mind. I'd take the young stud on a cheap rookie deal, every time.
That’s what the titans thought when they traded Brown.
Let’s draft his replacement and get about 75 percent of his production at a fraction of cost.
It’s not always that easy.
Treylon Burks was a borderline 1st rounder, who was overdrafted. I was a skeptic of him from the beginning. He was not a slam dunk to pan out.
Odunze & Nabers are about as can't miss as you can get. Both would be the first WR taken in most drafts. If you have a chance to grab one of them, you do it.
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