Game 56: Pistons vs Orlando 8PM EST

[hoophabit]

Meh, a lot of former pros thought doing your big step back and then a little hop was a travel. For the Pistons, who cares about the win or loss. It's too late for that. So long as our guys can do the same and not get called for a travel, then great.

[bstein14]

Mdw as far as I know is as close to an unbiased expert on rules so, people can dislike the rules but this one is fairly clear. I can link to other sources if you want.

According to the NBA's 2 minute report it was a correct non call (they actually said every call was correct the last two minutes https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022300814 ), but in all reality according to the own NBAs rules it should be a travel. He fully gathered the ball and had it (not still dribbling) and took a full hop after he had already gathered the ball with two hands.

By definition, he had already taken the two steps you get after dribbling and then going into a shot and he 100% shouldn't have been allowed to both hop back and then also drag an additional pivot foot, per the NBAs own rules.

A player who gathers the ball while progressing may take (1) two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball, or (2) if he has not yet dribbled, one step prior to releasing the ball. A player who gathers the ball while dribbling may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing, or shooting the ball.
The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.
The second step occurs after the first step when the other foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.

[Mad Guru]

Mdw as far as I know is as close to an unbiased expert on rules so, people can dislike the rules but this one is fairly clear. I can link to other sources if you want.

According to the NBA's 2 minute report it was a correct non call (they actually said every call was correct the last two minutes https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022300814 ), but in all reality according to the own NBAs rules it should be a travel. He fully gathered the ball and had it (not still dribbling) and took a full hop after he had already gathered the ball with two hands.

By definition, he had already taken the two steps you get after dribbling and then going into a shot and he 100% shouldn't have been allowed to both hop back and then also drag an additional pivot foot, per the NBAs own rules.

A player who gathers the ball while progressing may take (1) two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball, or (2) if he has not yet dribbled, one step prior to releasing the ball. A player who gathers the ball while dribbling may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing, or shooting the ball.
The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.
The second step occurs after the first step when the other foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.

You are fundamentally disagreeing with the reality of when he fully gathers the ball with this take.

[zeebneeb]

Meh, a lot of former pros thought doing your big step back and then a little hop was a travel. For the Pistons, who cares about the win or loss. It's too late for that. So long as our guys can do the same and not get called for a travel, then great.

Well, you know thats not gonna happen.

[sixerswillrule]

Mdw as far as I know is as close to an unbiased expert on rules so, people can dislike the rules but this one is fairly clear. I can link to other sources if you want.

According to the NBA's 2 minute report it was a correct non call (they actually said every call was correct the last two minutes https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022300814 ), but in all reality according to the own NBAs rules it should be a travel. He fully gathered the ball and had it (not still dribbling) and took a full hop after he had already gathered the ball with two hands.

By definition, he had already taken the two steps you get after dribbling and then going into a shot and he 100% shouldn't have been allowed to both hop back and then also drag an additional pivot foot, per the NBAs own rules.

A player who gathers the ball while progressing may take (1) two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball, or (2) if he has not yet dribbled, one step prior to releasing the ball. A player who gathers the ball while dribbling may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing, or shooting the ball.
The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.
The second step occurs after the first step when the other foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.

You are fundamentally disagreeing with the reality of when he fully gathers the ball with this take.

And the "slide" of the right foot at the end is so negligible (it moves like 2 inches) that this is pretty much legal at lower levels.

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[Phenomenonsense]

According to the NBA's 2 minute report it was a correct non call (they actually said every call was correct the last two minutes https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022300814 ), but in all reality according to the own NBAs rules it should be a travel. He fully gathered the ball and had it (not still dribbling) and took a full hop after he had already gathered the ball with two hands.

By definition, he had already taken the two steps you get after dribbling and then going into a shot and he 100% shouldn't have been allowed to both hop back and then also drag an additional pivot foot, per the NBAs own rules.

You are fundamentally disagreeing with the reality of when he fully gathers the ball with this take.

And the "slide" of the right foot at the end is so negligible (it moves like 2 inches) that this is pretty much legal at lower levels.

Watch on YouTube

To be clear, no one has a problem with him doing his gather, it's that he flubs it that causes the problem. That video you posted is a great example of a good player using fundamentals, but if that man stumbled and took an extra step because he jumped too far forward, it would be a travel. Banchero's back foot clearly hits the ground twice before he jumps, bro is out there playing hopscotch and if that **** is legal then the whole league should jump around on one foot and land on the same foot whenever they like. Nothing new that the league can't officiate itself correctly. Biggest problem with the NBA is its affect on how kids see the game and then they grow up not understanding the rules, not reading, and talking 'bout **** they don't know lol

[bstein14]

100% the "gather" is done and over with once the player has two hands on the ball... unless there's a different definition than the NBA uses

Definition of the Gather
For a player who receives a pass or gains possession of a loose ball, the gather is defined as the point where the player gains enough control of the ball to hold it, change hands, pass, shoot, or cradle it against his body.

Once you have the ball in both hands your "gather" is over you don't get extra hops around the court after you've gathered. Literally a jump shot you gather on the hop and then jump and release the ball before you land... you don't get to land with the ball that's a travel and that's what he did... he gathering and the took an extra hop afterwards.

[sixerswillrule]

100% the "gather" is done and over with once the player has two hands on the ball... unless there's a different definition than the NBA uses

Definition of the Gather
For a player who receives a pass or gains possession of a loose ball, the gather is defined as the point where the player gains enough control of the ball to hold it, change hands, pass, shoot, or cradle it against his body.

Once you have the ball in both hands your "gather" is over you don't get extra hops around the court after you've gathered. Literally a jump shot you gather on the hop and then jump and release the ball before you land... you don't get to land with the ball that's a travel and that's what he did... he gathering and the took an extra hop afterwards.

I agree with you putting two hands on the ball ends the gather.

And you can jump and land from that after the gather. Even by high school rules.

You can have two hands on the ball, a foot on the ground, and you can jump from that foot to land on both feet at every level of basketball. See the video I posted above.

[bstein14]

100% the "gather" is done and over with once the player has two hands on the ball... unless there's a different definition than the NBA uses

Definition of the Gather
For a player who receives a pass or gains possession of a loose ball, the gather is defined as the point where the player gains enough control of the ball to hold it, change hands, pass, shoot, or cradle it against his body.

Once you have the ball in both hands your "gather" is over you don't get extra hops around the court after you've gathered. Literally a jump shot you gather on the hop and then jump and release the ball before you land... you don't get to land with the ball that's a travel and that's what he did... he gathering and the took an extra hop afterwards.

I agree with you putting two hands on the ball ends the gather.

And you can jump and land from that after the gather. Even by high school rules.

You can have two hands on the ball, a foot on the ground, and you can jump from that foot to land on both feet at every level of basketball. See the video I posted above.

He already landed with both feet on the ground and both hands on the ball, and then he hopped again. You don't get to hop around the court like a bunny rabbit holding the ball.

[sixerswillrule]

100% the "gather" is done and over with once the player has two hands on the ball... unless there's a different definition than the NBA uses




Once you have the ball in both hands your "gather" is over you don't get extra hops around the court after you've gathered. Literally a jump shot you gather on the hop and then jump and release the ball before you land... you don't get to land with the ball that's a travel and that's what he did... he gathering and the took an extra hop afterwards.

I agree with you putting two hands on the ball ends the gather.

And you can jump and land from that after the gather. Even by high school rules.

You can have two hands on the ball, a foot on the ground, and you can jump from that foot to land on both feet at every level of basketball. See the video I posted above.

He already landed with both feet on the ground and both hands on the ball, and then he hopped again. You don't get to hop around the court like a bunny rabbit holding the ball.

He didn't have both feet on the ground and both hands on the ball.

He had one foot (left foot) on the ground and both hands on the ball, jumps off that left foot, and lands on both feet.

As shown here in the slow motion baseline reply, just like the NBA explained in 2 minute report.

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[sixerswillrule]

You are fundamentally disagreeing with the reality of when he fully gathers the ball with this take.

And the "slide" of the right foot at the end is so negligible (it moves like 2 inches) that this is pretty much legal at lower levels.

Watch on YouTube

To be clear, no one has a problem with him doing his gather, it's that he flubs it that causes the problem. That video you posted is a great example of a good player using fundamentals, but if that man stumbled and took an extra step because he jumped too far forward, it would be a travel. Banchero's back foot clearly hits the ground twice before he jumps, bro is out there playing hopscotch and if that **** is legal then the whole league should jump around on one foot and land on the same foot whenever they like. Nothing new that the league can't officiate itself correctly. Biggest problem with the NBA is its affect on how kids see the game and then they grow up not understanding the rules, not reading, and talking 'bout **** they don't know lol

No extra step, legal jump stop just like in the college video. Two hands on the ball, one foot on the ground, jump off that foot to land on both feet. See slow motion baseline reply in the video above.

[Phenomenonsense]

And the "slide" of the right foot at the end is so negligible (it moves like 2 inches) that this is pretty much legal at lower levels.

Watch on YouTube

To be clear, no one has a problem with him doing his gather, it's that he flubs it that causes the problem. That video you posted is a great example of a good player using fundamentals, but if that man stumbled and took an extra step because he jumped too far forward, it would be a travel. Banchero's back foot clearly hits the ground twice before he jumps, bro is out there playing hopscotch and if that **** is legal then the whole league should jump around on one foot and land on the same foot whenever they like. Nothing new that the league can't officiate itself correctly. Biggest problem with the NBA is its affect on how kids see the game and then they grow up not understanding the rules, not reading, and talking 'bout **** they don't know lol

No extra step, legal jump stop just like in the college video. Two hands on the ball, one foot on the ground, jump off that foot to land on both feet. See slow motion baseline reply in the video above.

I've seen the replay. You simply think people can jump off one foot and land on it again and it doesn't count I guess so pop off king lmao. I hope we see people hopping on one foot from the 3pt line to the rim and don't count the gather because it "is only one hand on the ball."

[Phenomenonsense]

I agree with you putting two hands on the ball ends the gather.

And you can jump and land from that after the gather. Even by high school rules.

You can have two hands on the ball, a foot on the ground, and you can jump from that foot to land on both feet at every level of basketball. See the video I posted above.

He already landed with both feet on the ground and both hands on the ball, and then he hopped again. You don't get to hop around the court like a bunny rabbit holding the ball.

He didn't have both feet on the ground and both hands on the ball.

He had one foot (left foot) on the ground and both hands on the ball, jumps off that left foot, and lands on both feet.

As shown here in the slow motion baseline reply, just like the NBA explained in 2 minute report.

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This is just disingenuous. Gather doesn't only start with both hands on the ball, otherwise you could take as many steps with one hand on the ball and count it all as gathering. He gathered with his right foot establishing his left foot as step one and the hop as steps 2 and 3.

[ComboGuardCity]

The bottom line is, they don’t want an asterisk next to a shot that’s going to be shown as a top play of the year for an All-Star, the youngest All-Star that. Just because they said, in the two minute report that this was not a travel does not mean that this was not a travel. The NBA is a business, and we should all recognize that.

[sixerswillrule]

The bottom line is, they don’t want an asterisk next to a shot that’s going to be shown as a top play of the year for an All-Star, the youngest All-Star that. Just because they said, in the two minute report that this was not a travel does not mean that this was not a travel. The NBA is a business, and we should all recognize that.

Tyler Herro hit a game winner last year. The NBA last two minute report said it was a missed call and that he traveled.

https://sactownsports.com/nba-two-minute-herro-kings/

The NBA has doubled and tripled down on saying Banchero's play was not a travel...because it was not a travel.

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The NBA has pointed out plenty of mistakes in those reports. There was no mistake to point out here. Legal play, correct no call.