vege wrote:BDM22 wrote:Snakebites wrote:
Posts like this really make it sound like we have more to lose than we actually do...
Don't get me wrong, I'm fully aware that things can IN THEORY get worse. That's always true no matter what, just as it is in life. But we're at a low enough point now that any attempt at change of the guard is worth the risk.
It's not what we have to lose in terms of assets on the roster today. It's that we could still bring in a good GM today and hit the ground running from day 1. Yet we're ONE short-sighted trade of picks or whatever for the wrong max contract away from that potential to even rebuild getting pushed back by 4-5 years in one transaction.
Gordon/Charlie V/Josh Smith were that. Blake was exactly that. For Blake, we traded a lotto pick in what looks like an all-time great draft and young Tobias, who the Clippers got 2 1sts and 2 2nds for when they flipped him. And we ended up buying Blake out like 2 years later and eating his contract for years of this rebuild. This kind of move sets a franchise back 4-5 years compared to our position now, easily. And it's STILL a reason why we're as bad as we are now, because we had no assets of positive value left when the last regime was done.
Troy deserves to be fired, but if the only option is some other team's failure re-tread, I have little hope that it won't just get worse in the form of a return to short-sighted desperation moves. I would feel a lot better if we had someone targeted and immediately went out and got them. At this point it really feels we're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Some of these names are scary.
You're ignoring the fact that by doing nothing, and building a dysfunctional roster and a terrible situation, we're not doing our young players any favors. By the time their rookie contract is over, they can just walk.
If Cade decides to sign the QO and walk, like KCP and Monroe did. We wasted 5 years, he is not going to sign the QO but it's a real possibility that we give him the max, and 1 or 2 years later he demands a trade, and we get very little for him.
Do nothing is worse than do something bad imo, and that's exactly where we are. Nobody wants to sign with us, our young players did not develop (or developed bad habits like Duren for example) and we're going to do something. That's a scary place to be.
Absolutely zero chance Cade passes on a max contract to not only play his 4th season with the risk of injury while not securing generational wealth, but also a QO season in year 5 with no contract secured. All while automatically losing ~$20M in earnings that he could never get back. So fear not there. Max guys don't risk the bag, they sign on the dotted line and request trades.
Side note: Pistons renounced KCP's rights when he was a RFA. He didn't sign the QO. Pistons could have still matched any offer but they decided they didn't want to and let him go. Only Monroe made that move, which is quite rare these days, and we still would be 2 years away from that possibility on guys like Ivey and Duren. 3 years away with Ausar.
Troy pulled the trigger pretty quickly on moving Bey when he found out Saddiq's team was looking for 20-25M per year. That's really the only situation to look out for. Players and agents that see their value at double market rate.
And I'm of course not saying to keep a "dysfunctional roster". I'm just saying the candidates we're seeing for this job come up combined with this feeling that Gores is going to want to go all-in (like he has with every GM before Weaver) feels like we're about to make a bad situation a lot worse somehow lol. Perhaps I just need to mentally prepare myself for the Zach Lavine to Detroit headline.
