Game 53: Pistons @ Lakers 2/13/2024

[MrBigShot]

Cade had an incredible december, looked like a perennial all star. Since returning he has been pretty much atrocious. We will have to see next season which version of cade shows up/if he trends more towards his break out earlier in the yer or if he's just gonna be an inefficient volume scorer.

Problem is, he's due an extension this summer. We only have ~30 games to know how much to offer him. We can't really wait until next season to determine his value.

Sign him when he's an RFA. If he has a really good year throw the max at him, not a chance he'd take the pass that up and risk injury, esp given that he has limited athleticism to begin with.

[bstein14]

Problem is, he's due an extension this summer. We only have ~30 games to know how much to offer him. We can't really wait until next season to determine his value.

Sign him when he's an RFA. If he has a really good year throw the max at him, not a chance he'd take the pass that up and risk injury, esp given that he has limited athleticism to begin with.

Yeah we still have his restricted and bird rights if we wait another season.

You do have the rare chance of the Greg Monroe situation tho.. where he just played out his QO ($18+ million) for the 25-26 season and then goes wherever he wants. Normally I wouldn't be worried about that but we've been so awful that might be appealing to him if we don't lock him up.

[mattao313]

$165 million projected cap in the first year of Cade's new deal, I am guessing we will offer him a max deal but I hope we get a year 5 team option and we put some incentives in their as well so its less risky on our end. The hard thing is, if we give Cade a max offer now before he's really shown much you also then have Ivey and Duren the next year and you can be sure both will also be pushing for big deals.

Cade's max assuming he isn't all-nba next year (slightly below max because I did $3 mil bumps instead of $3.3 mil bumps)
25-26: $41
26-27: $44
27-28: $47
28-29: $50
29-30: $53
Total 5 years $235 million

I'd be down to give him this deal for sure if he'd take it this summer...
25-26: $38 + $3 mil for playing in 60+ games and making the playoffs
26-27: $41 + $3 mil for playing in 60+ games and making the playoffs
27-28: $44 + $3 mil for playing in 60+ games and making the playoffs
28-29: $47 + $3 mil for playing in 60+ games and making the playoffs
29-30: $53 (Team Option)
This deal only has $170 million guaranteed instead of the $235 million.

I'd rather wait til he's a RFA he needs to show more to even be worth the second contract

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[bstein14]

Ayton got a team to give him a four year max so Cade would likely have to have a pretty bad fourth year to not get a max offer from someone we know plenty of GMs are still willing to pay for someone like Cade based on potential and many will put the issues he has had up to this point due to the lack of talent around him just like everyone here was earlier this year.

[mattao313]

Ayton got a team to give him a four year max so Cade would likely have to have a pretty bad fourth year to not get a max offer from someone we know plenty of GMs are still willing to pay for someone like Cade based on potential and many will put the issues he has had up to this point due to the lack of talent around him just like everyone here was earlier this year.

So what is the maximum another team can sign hmm to?

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[joedumars1]

Ayton got a team to give him a four year max so Cade would likely have to have a pretty bad fourth year to not get a max offer from someone we know plenty of GMs are still willing to pay for someone like Cade based on potential and many will put the issues he has had up to this point due to the lack of talent around him just like everyone here was earlier this year.

The issues imo have been not having Ivey cade and duren fully Healthy together to see them grow together. I’m not sure if cade is healthy atm either, lmfao. Just a **** year, but hopefully rest of year can be better, cade/ivey/duren finish out the rest of the year and Monty plays them together a lot that’s a positive in my eyes.

[bstein14]

Ayton got a team to give him a four year max so Cade would likely have to have a pretty bad fourth year to not get a max offer from someone we know plenty of GMs are still willing to pay for someone like Cade based on potential and many will put the issues he has had up to this point due to the lack of talent around him just like everyone here was earlier this year.

So what is the maximum another team can sign hmm to?

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Another team could offer something close to this...

$41
$43
$45
$47
4 years $176 million

Slightly more than that but that's close to what another team would be able to offer Cade... the actually deal probably closer to four years and $178-$179 million.

[Snakebites]

Sign him when he's an RFA. If he has a really good year throw the max at him, not a chance he'd take the pass that up and risk injury, esp given that he has limited athleticism to begin with.

Yeah we still have his restricted and bird rights if we wait another season.

You do have the rare chance of the Greg Monroe situation tho.. where he just played out his QO ($18+ million) for the 25-26 season and then goes wherever he wants. Normally I wouldn't be worried about that but we've been so awful that might be appealing to him if we don't lock him up.

Yeah, I understand that risk. I’ll counter with 2 things:

1) If we’re still awful next year none of this matters.

2) Yeah, it’s a risk. So is giving an inconsistent injury prone guy a contract north of 200 million.

It sucks that we have to choose between those two risks. Id be open to trading him in the offseason but the team won’t go for it.

[DetroitSho]

Sign him when he's an RFA. If he has a really good year throw the max at him, not a chance he'd take the pass that up and risk injury, esp given that he has limited athleticism to begin with.

Yeah we still have his restricted and bird rights if we wait another season.

You do have the rare chance of the Greg Monroe situation tho.. where he just played out his QO ($18+ million) for the 25-26 season and then goes wherever he wants. Normally I wouldn't be worried about that but we've been so awful that might be appealing to him if we don't lock him up.

The Monroe situation is apples to oranges. You were offering him way less than he wanted ANNNND you'd brought in Josh Smith, which made the front court a big question mark.

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[MrBigShot]

Yeah, assuming he has a great season and we offer it, no chance cade would pass up 235 mil. That's generational wealth. Would be downright idiotic to risk injury for that. Especially today where it's acceptable to take the $$ and then ask out later anyway.

[vege]

There is 0 chance Weaver doesn't give Cade the full max. If he is fired and we have a new GM, that might be a possibility.

[bstein14]

There is 0 chance Weaver doesn't give Cade the full max. If he is fired and we have a new GM, that might be a possibility.

We will find out in a few months. It'll get really interesting if we give Cade the full Max this summer and then Ivey and Duren take the biggest steps forward next year... Is Weaver going to give all three of them MAX deals?

[vege]

There is 0 chance Weaver doesn't give Cade the full max. If he is fired and we have a new GM, that might be a possibility.

We will find out in a few months. It'll get really interesting if we give Cade the full Max this summer and then Ivey and Duren take the biggest steps forward next year... Is Weaver going to give all three of them MAX deals?

That's how things work nowadays. It could be worse, he could be paying max money for Zach LaVine or Miles Bridges or both, he still might.

[Cowology]

There is 0 chance Weaver doesn't give Cade the full max. If he is fired and we have a new GM, that might be a possibility.

We will find out in a few months. It'll get really interesting if we give Cade the full Max this summer and then Ivey and Duren take the biggest steps forward next year... Is Weaver going to give all three of them MAX deals?

That's how things work nowadays. It could be worse, he could be paying max money for Zach LaVine or Miles Bridges or both, he still might.

If Cade doesn't pan out, both of those contacts may look good in comparison. People might scoff, but what's really separating Cade from LaVine here? The biggest knock on that dude has been "doesn't contribute to winning" or "empty stats". Helloooooooo.

[Kalamazoo317]

Cade's got lesser empty stats. So there's that.

[mattao313]

Cade's got lesser empty stats. So there's that.

Lavine is better than cade

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[Kalamazoo317]

Cade's got lesser empty stats. So there's that.

Lavine is better than cade

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Absolutely. Cade is more valuable currently, just because he's on a better contract and the lure of "potential" but if he gets paid and his potential flatlines a bit, he'll quickly lose that luster.

[vege]

We will find out in a few months. It'll get really interesting if we give Cade the full Max this summer and then Ivey and Duren take the biggest steps forward next year... Is Weaver going to give all three of them MAX deals?

That's how things work nowadays. It could be worse, he could be paying max money for Zach LaVine or Miles Bridges or both, he still might.

If Cade doesn't pan out, both of those contacts may look good in comparison. People might scoff, but what's really separating Cade from LaVine here? The biggest knock on that dude has been "doesn't contribute to winning" or "empty stats". Helloooooooo.

When was the last time Cade scored 50 points and had 0 assists? LaVine's problem is he is selfish. He doesn't care about winning, he only cares about getting his. He doesn't play defense and plays hero ball.

Cade's issue is he is a loser. He quit. He is capable of being a lock down defender, but he is a defensive siege because he only put effort on that end when he want to. He is also too unselfish, he pass the ball too much to inept players to get them going when he shouldn't.

Cade is probably going to be a failure, but he will never look as bad as LaVine or Bridges.

[Kalamazoo317]

Trick question. Cade's never scored 50 points.

[Cowology]

That's how things work nowadays. It could be worse, he could be paying max money for Zach LaVine or Miles Bridges or both, he still might.

If Cade doesn't pan out, both of those contacts may look good in comparison. People might scoff, but what's really separating Cade from LaVine here? The biggest knock on that dude has been "doesn't contribute to winning" or "empty stats". Helloooooooo.

When was the last time Cade scored 50 points and had 0 assists? LaVine's problem is he is selfish. He doesn't care about winning, he only cares about getting his. He doesn't play defense and plays hero ball.

Cade's issue is he is a loser. He quit. He is capable of being a lock down defender, but he is a defensive siege because he only put effort on that end when he want to. He is also too unselfish, he pass the ball too much to inept players to get them going when he shouldn't.

Cade is probably going to be a failure, but he will never look as bad as LaVine or Bridges.

I would be careful about applying motivators to people based on external observation at this distance.

Somebody said it a while ago, but this board can be cold as **** when it comes to players. We forget that they are actual people. Doesn't care about winning? Is a Loser?

I dunno what happened in your life to make you this bitter, but I"m sorry. I wish you had an easier life.