Trade w/Utah

DBC10 · Post #41 » by **DBC10** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 7:25 pm

Considering no one here follows the Jazz or watch Fontecchio on the regular, any opinions on defense of all things should be reserved

Having said that, this is a good move just purely for the fact we got something of value for Knox. He has value because he's a longer guy that can shoot. We needed shooting and Weaver is trying to fill that void. Why should I trash this move? Is it because his name doesn't sound like Grant Williams?

Kalamazoo317 · Post #42 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 7:25 pm

Can't complain about adding more wings.

kpt · Post #43 » by **kpt** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 7:25 pm

whitehops wrote:i wonder how the logistics of the trade is going to work. we start a 5-game west coast trip today so i guess he'll be flying into portland tomorrow and meet up with the team? hopefully he'll be able to play saturday against the clippers.

my guess is stewart is out until the all star break so he should get some solid burn right off the bat.

The trade doesn’t go through until tomorrow because Knox wasn’t signed until November 8 and that has something to do with it

whitehops · Post #44 » by **whitehops** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 7:27 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:Just wanted to chime in and say that Fontecchio is actually a pretty good defender, physical and puts in a lot of effort.

I've seen Woj and others say he'll be a RFA but in all the sites I've looked he's going to be a UFA in the end of this season so I'm actually unclear about his contract status. Until now I assumed he'd be a UFA when this season is over.

Restricted free agency exists in the following situations:
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• For all veteran free agents who have been in the NBA for three seasons or less. The exception to this rule is a first-round Draft pick following his second or third season if his team doesn’t exercise its option to extend his rookie-scale contract for the following season. These players then become unrestricted free agents.

https://www.nba.com/news/free-agency-explained

pretty much every second round pick is a restricted FA at the end of their deal.

Post #45 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 7:33 pm

whitehops wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:Just wanted to chime in and say that Fontecchio is actually a pretty good defender, physical and puts in a lot of effort.

I've seen Woj and others say he'll be a RFA but in all the sites I've looked he's going to be a UFA in the end of this season so I'm actually unclear about his contract status. Until now I assumed he'd be a UFA when this season is over.

Restricted free agency exists in the following situations:
...
• For all veteran free agents who have been in the NBA for three seasons or less. The exception to this rule is a first-round Draft pick following his second or third season if his team doesn’t exercise its option to extend his rookie-scale contract for the following season. These players then become unrestricted free agents.

https://www.nba.com/news/free-agency-explained

pretty much every second round pick is a restricted FA at the end of their deal.

That's informative, thanks.

But as for Fontecchio, he was undrafted. I guess it means he still falls under the 'veteran free agents who have been in the NBA for three seasons or less' definition, hence his restricted free agency. Much appreciated.

zeebneeb · Post #46 » by **zeebneeb** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 7:44 pm

I've watched the scant highlights there are of this guy, and he can shoot, move his feet, and makes cuts to the basket.

Has some athleticism, as he got a lob.

What I dont like, is that the team sent out a wing, for a wing.

That, is **** stupid. The team has centers and guards for days, start adding wings.

Damn it Weaver.

whitehops · Post #47 » by **whitehops** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 7:45 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:That's informative, thanks.

But as for Fontecchio, he was undrafted. I guess it means he still falls under the 'veteran free agents who have been in the NBA for three seasons or less' definition, hence his restricted free agency. Much appreciated.

right, forgot he was undrafted. yeah i guess that term covers everyone that wasn't on a rookie scale deal.

GreekAlex · Post #48 » by **GreekAlex** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 7:47 pm

I think we slightly overpaid but the RFA status has value.

He can shoot and has high BBIQ. That’s the recipe that I want to surround our “core 4” with.

MortSahlfan · Post #49 » by **MortSahlfan** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 7:49 pm

DBC10 wrote:Considering no one here follows the Jazz or watch Fontecchio on the regular, any opinions on defense of all things should be reserved

Having said that, this is a good move just purely for the fact we got something of value for Knox. He has value because he's a longer guy that can shoot. We needed shooting and Weaver is trying to fill that void. Why should I trash this move? Is it because his name doesn't sound like Grant Williams?

I'm hoping some Jazz fans chime in here.

joedumars1 · Post #50 » by **joedumars1** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 7:57 pm

I like it, time will tell.

Neptune · Post #51 » by **Neptune** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:03 pm

Good move by Troy. Simone is a shooter and makes shots while on the move. Knox played well for us, but business is business.

LaSheed · Post #52 » by **LaSheed** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:12 pm

Eh it's whatever. I hate this draft. If it were up to me I'd trade with the Knicks to unprotect this year's pick and get ours back so getting rid of this 2nd means nothing to me.

FloridaMan78 · Post #53 » by **FloridaMan78** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:15 pm

Now the question is will Monty start him over Stewart and bring Stew of the bench to backup C?

Exit 9 · Post #54 » by **Exit 9** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:18 pm

LOL @vege rushing in to hate and all the Jazz fans pretty much disagreeing

I don't know much about this guy so I've got nothing other than that.

NYPiston · Post #55 » by **NYPiston** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:20 pm

Weaver is such a sucker. Gives up what just about amounts to a late 1st for an older guy that is hardly an upgrade on Knox. Am I missing something?

GreekAlex · Post #56 » by **GreekAlex** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:24 pm

NYPiston wrote:Weaver is such a sucker. Gives up what just about amounts to a late 1st for an older guy that is hardly an upgrade on Knox. Am I missing something?

Yes, he’s a significant upgrade over Knox and Knox has been very helpful.

He’s a better defender, better and more consistent shooter and higher BBIQ, plus we’ll hold his restricted rights.

It’s a slight overpay but I like trying players out before handing them a contract.

vege · Post #57 » by **vege** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:33 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
whitehops wrote:
vege wrote:
I watched a few games and yes, the numbers say he is as bad as Burks, which matches what I've watched.

his defensive EPM is +0.2 which is 66th percentile. i'll admit i haven't seen him play much at all but that's a solid number for sure. knox was 29th percentile.
Soooo, NOT what vege said, as usual? Gotcha.

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My track record is pretty good and yours is laughable, so another bad post by you, as usual.

Fontecchio is a very bad defender, if you want more information, go on and find out the stats yourself. Defensive EPM is only one metric. If you watch the games and understand what's going on, which I doubt, you'll understand Knox was nothing special, but he was passable on defense, definetely not at the bot 30 percentile of the league, and that should give you a clue on how missleading 1 single stat can be. But you do you, continue posting bad stuff.

NYPiston · Post #58 » by **NYPiston** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:35 pm

GreekAlex wrote:
Yes, he’s a significant upgrade over Knox and Knox has been very helpful.

He’s a better defender, better and more consistent shooter and higher BBIQ, plus we’ll hold his restricted rights.

It’s a slight overpay but I like trying players out before handing them a contract.

Granted I haven't seen him much so I'll defer to you but his numbers look pedestrian and how much growth does he have left at 28?

GreekAlex · Post #59 » by **GreekAlex** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:38 pm

NYPiston wrote:
GreekAlex wrote:
Yes, he’s a significant upgrade over Knox and Knox has been very helpful.

He’s a better defender, better and more consistent shooter and higher BBIQ, plus we’ll hold his restricted rights.

It’s a slight overpay but I like trying players out before handing them a contract.

Granted I haven't seen him much so I'll defer to you but his numbers look pedestrian and how much growth does he have left at 28?

I’m not sure how much growth but I think he’ll be given more opportunities here.

bstein14 · Post #60 » by **bstein14** » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:46 pm

One of the biggest benefits is that he doesn't impact our cap space much at all. He has a $3 million cap hold so you can use all your cap space, then go over the cap and offer him something like 3 years $21 million and he'll be a solid bench player for us. Then we'd still have the room exception to add another player at about that salary as well.

C: Duren (28) / Stewart (22)
F: Big $$$ FA Starter (31) / Fonticchio (17)
F: Big $$$ Starter we get for Top 5 Pick (31)/ Ausar (17)
G: Ivey (28) / Sasser(22)
G: Cade (33) / Room Exception (15) (Monte Morris???)

That very well could end up the makeup of our 10 man rotation next year and its a massive upgrade over what we put on the floor this season.