Desperate Times

[superunknown]

this team presently constructed is going nowhere.
simmons, no simmons, they need to grow some balls, get rid of some of the dead weight in the roster and get creative, possibly nailing a couple of hat-trick and decent role players.
they can't, they'll hit a brick wall again.

I'm curious to think who people see as dead weight

are you asking to me specifically?

[RUN-TJM]

When Simmons plays, he plays hard. The effort on the court has never been a problem. His injury history and complete lack of shooting has really curtailed what was looking to be at one stage, an excellent career in the NBA.

He actually had better shooting form when he was 15. Don’t think he’s had the best advice.

[Onus]

this team presently constructed is going nowhere.
simmons, no simmons, they need to grow some balls, get rid of some of the dead weight in the roster and get creative, possibly nailing a couple of hat-trick and decent role players.
they can't, they'll hit a brick wall again.

I'm curious to think who people see as dead weight

are you asking to me specifically?

Sure if you want to answer

[superunknown]

I'm curious to think who people see as dead weight

are you asking to me specifically?

Sure if you want to answer

klay
CP
loon
GPII

[azwfan]

are you asking to me specifically?

Sure if you want to answer

klay
CP
loon
GPII

I would add Wiggins personally due to being unreliable. Draymond isn't dead weight cause at least he's good when he's available, but he's close.
Wiggins + Looney + GP2 = $40M last year
Klay = 43M last year
CP3 = 30M last year
Draymond = 22M last year
That's 135M of bleh.

No wonder why we had the highest payroll and still sucked.

[Twinkie defense]

GPII and Looney are not dead weight... for one their salaries are small. For another GPII is a point of attack baller and fits right into the Warriors' schemes. Only negative on GPII is he has not reliably been on the court. Loon - fits right in, plays an important position, doesn't complain about playing time. He had a down year this season but I think both these guys are excellent second half of the rotation Warriors.

[azwfan]

GPII and Looney are not dead weight... for one their salaries are small. For another GPII is a point of attack baller and fits right into the Warriors' schemes. Only negative on GPII is he has not reliably been on the court. Loon - fits right in, plays an important position, doesn't complain about playing time. He had a down year this season but I think both these guys are excellent second half of the rotation Warriors.

If you're in the second half of the rotation for a lottery team, you're dead weight on a title team. JMHO
I can see a case being made for Looney for leadership reasons after reality finally sets on the old farts though.

[SpreeS]

What size of contract we could use in free market if all 4 (Looney/GP2/Paul/Klay) are gone?

[Warriorfan]

GPII and Looney are not dead weight... for one their salaries are small. For another GPII is a point of attack baller and fits right into the Warriors' schemes. Only negative on GPII is he has not reliably been on the court. Loon - fits right in, plays an important position, doesn't complain about playing time. He had a down year this season but I think both these guys are excellent second half of the rotation Warriors.

If you're in the second half of the rotation for a lottery team, you're dead weight on a title team. JMHO
I can see a case being made for Looney for leadership reasons after reality finally sets on the old farts though.

Looney and GP2 helped win a championship but due to luxury repeater tax cost 50 mil each. On exp can be part of big deal.

Podz and Davis are cheaper replacement.

[azwfan]

GPII and Looney are not dead weight... for one their salaries are small. For another GPII is a point of attack baller and fits right into the Warriors' schemes. Only negative on GPII is he has not reliably been on the court. Loon - fits right in, plays an important position, doesn't complain about playing time. He had a down year this season but I think both these guys are excellent second half of the rotation Warriors.

If you're in the second half of the rotation for a lottery team, you're dead weight on a title team. JMHO
I can see a case being made for Looney for leadership reasons after reality finally sets on the old farts though.

Looney and GP2 helped win a championship but due to luxury repeater tax cost 50 mil each. On exp can be part of big deal.

Podz and Davis are cheaper replacement.

Rick Barry did too. Should he still be suiting up or maybe we can stop living in the past.

[xdrta+]

What size of contract we could use in free market if all 4 (Looney/GP2/Paul/Klay) are gone?

If those 4 were gone with no salary coming back, the team salary would be about $130M for 8 players. This includes Looney's $3M. They could stretch Looney's $3M guarantee to $1M per year and lower the 130 to about $128M. Add about $4.5M for the incomplete roster charge (the rookie minimum salary for each player fewer than 12) and you're up to about $132-33M. The projected cap is $141M, so there would be about $8-9M in cap room.

In this scenario they would have access to the $12.8M MLE, remembering that spending anything above $5.3M of it would hard-cap them at the 1st Apron, $178M.

[CDM_Stats]

GPII and Looney are not dead weight... for one their salaries are small. For another GPII is a point of attack baller and fits right into the Warriors' schemes. Only negative on GPII is he has not reliably been on the court. Loon - fits right in, plays an important position, doesn't complain about playing time. He had a down year this season but I think both these guys are excellent second half of the rotation Warriors.

I'm wagering they meant expendable over deadweight.. there's no Kelly Oubre in either of them

[Twinkie defense]

GPII and Looney are not dead weight... for one their salaries are small. For another GPII is a point of attack baller and fits right into the Warriors' schemes. Only negative on GPII is he has not reliably been on the court. Loon - fits right in, plays an important position, doesn't complain about playing time. He had a down year this season but I think both these guys are excellent second half of the rotation Warriors.

I'm wagering they meant expendable over deadweight.. there's no Kelly Oubre in either of them

No some people literally think these two are useless

[Warriorfan]

If you're in the second half of the rotation for a lottery team, you're dead weight on a title team. JMHO
I can see a case being made for Looney for leadership reasons after reality finally sets on the old farts though.

Looney and GP2 helped win a championship but due to luxury repeater tax cost 50 mil each. On exp can be part of big deal.

Podz and Davis are cheaper replacement.

Rick Barry did too. Should he still be suiting up or maybe we can stop living in the past.

Per 36 min Looney is 10.8pts 12.6 rb for a player who makes less than mle. Shooting 60%

Because Klay and Wiggins offense was down he played Loon less.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/looneke01.html

[azwfan]

Josh Giddey is an interesting buy low candidate. No idea what it would take to get him though.

He’s a good connector type that fits in with the win now delusion, while actually being young for the possibility for the next generation.

Bol Bol a free agent buy low candidate, though if PHX wants him back id guess he’d rather go there.

[azwfan]

Looney and GP2 helped win a championship but due to luxury repeater tax cost 50 mil each. On exp can be part of big deal.

Podz and Davis are cheaper replacement.

Rick Barry did too. Should he still be suiting up or maybe we can stop living in the past.

Per 36 min Looney is 10.8pts 12.6 rb for a player who makes less than mle. Shooting 60%

Because Klay and Wiggins offense was down he played Loon less.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/looneke01.html

Great. Maybe we can have 10th best lottery odds instead of 9th best.

[azwfan]

What size of contract we could use in free market if all 4 (Looney/GP2/Paul/Klay) are gone?

If those 4 were gone with no salary coming back, the team salary would be about $130M for 8 players. This includes Looney's $3M. They could stretch Looney's $3M guarantee to $1M per year and lower the 130 to about $128M. Add about $4.5M for the incomplete roster charge (the rookie minimum salary for each player fewer than 12) and you're up to about $132-33M. The projected cap is $141M, so there would be about $8-9M in cap room.

In this scenario they would have access to the $12.8M MLE, remembering that spending anything above $5.3M of it would hard-cap them at the 1st Apron, $178M.

So sounds like theres a possibility of using the full MLE even if they resign Klay (to a reasonable number).(?)

[Onus]

Josh Giddey is an interesting buy low candidate. No idea what it would take to get him though.

He’s a good connector type that fits in with the win now delusion, while actually being young for the possibility for the next generation.

Bol Bol a free agent buy low candidate, though if PHX wants him back id guess he’d rather go there.

Does anyone really want an on ball player that doesn’t score.

[azwfan]

Josh Giddey is an interesting buy low candidate. No idea what it would take to get him though.

He’s a good connector type that fits in with the win now delusion, while actually being young for the possibility for the next generation.

Bol Bol a free agent buy low candidate, though if PHX wants him back id guess he’d rather go there.

Does anyone really want an on ball player that doesn’t score.

Yup, fits in great with us.
Positional size. Good passer. Kerr will love him.

[Onus]

Josh Giddey is an interesting buy low candidate. No idea what it would take to get him though.

He’s a good connector type that fits in with the win now delusion, while actually being young for the possibility for the next generation.

Bol Bol a free agent buy low candidate, though if PHX wants him back id guess he’d rather go there.

Does anyone really want an on ball player that doesn’t score.

Yup, fits in great with us.
Positional size. Good passer. Kerr will love him.

We need shooting