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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#101 » by wco81 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:22 am

Klay had a lot of open looks vs. Phoenix. Some in transition. But when they're not going down, they're bad shots.

Normally for an NBA player, those kinds of looks are high percentage.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#102 » by CDM_Stats » Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:25 am

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Samurai wrote:It is certainly possible that as Klay continues his recovery from injuries, that his leg strength may return and give him a proper base.

It's possible. For KD, it seems he got pretty much all the way back. The surgeries are very good these days (I got the modern surgery for torn achilles). But some people never get the strength all the way back. I did not. And given where we are in Klay's recovery, I think he would be back by now physically if it were going to happen.


Exactly. And of course, the age thing. There is going to be some overlap with positive gains (recovery from Achilles) and negative movement (age). It should be noted that around 31-32 is when premiere shooters often times start to see cracks in the hull, because their strength level is changing. Its harder to calibrate, especially for great shooters, who've basically been calibrated great for their entire careers prior. Some can power through it, some struggle with it. Klay might have struggled with it even without his injuries.. but bottom line is that he's not where he used to be and until that changes, his game should reflect that. And so far he's not changed his game
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#103 » by wco81 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:30 am

Klay had a lot of open looks vs. Phoenix. Some in transition. But when they're not going down, they're bad shots.

Normally for an NBA player, those kinds of looks are high percentage.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#104 » by marthafokker » Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:48 am

When will Kerr stop this madness? Klay is hurting the Dubbs with his bad D and dumb chucking.

At least Westbrick figures that he sucks. When will both Kerr and Klay figure out? I hope when Dubbs wins the draft lottery!
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#105 » by tarantism » Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:43 pm

Klay had a lot of open looks vs. Phoenix. Some in transition. But when they're not going down, they're bad shots.

Normally for an NBA player, those kinds of looks are high percentage.


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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#106 » by and1GS » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:09 pm

wco81 wrote:Klay had a lot of open looks vs. Phoenix. Some in transition. But when they're not going down, they're bad shots.

Normally for an NBA player, those kinds of looks are high percentage.


For me, the concerns are quick shots with tight contests (he had a couple in transition last game) and the leaners. If he cuts those out he can still take the dumb early shot clock 2 point turnarounds and be a much more efficient player.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#107 » by dk1115 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:03 pm

I think he'll end up being 0BPM this year. His feet right now are all **** up when he shoots. I don't get how the team stats guy doesn't notice. His shooting stance has always been wide by the way, but it's even wider than usual.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#108 » by CDM_Stats » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:23 pm

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Klay had a lot of open looks vs. Phoenix. Some in transition. But when they're not going down, they're bad shots.

Normally for an NBA player, those kinds of looks are high percentage.


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I dont think anyone is critiquing the open shots, even though he's only hitting them at a 34% clip from distance. It's that 1/3 of his 3pt shots are coming with tight defense and hes shooting almost 25% from distance, and that a lot of those shots are coming with a decent amount of time on the shot clock (more than 10s). Its that instead of using his gravity and understanding that he needs to temper his shooting down a bit, he keeps shooting as if nothing's changed, nothing's wrong, in a season where we're struggling to get and keep momentum. Klay needs to focus less on Klay's struggles and start wondering what a slumping Klay can do to help the team, that doesnt involve him shooting as much. If that means bench him, then bench him. If that means correcting it himself, then do that. But he's never done the latter and we've never done the former. Something's gotta give
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#109 » by Onus » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:43 pm

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tarantism wrote:
Klay had a lot of open looks vs. Phoenix. Some in transition. But when they're not going down, they're bad shots.

Normally for an NBA player, those kinds of looks are high percentage.


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I dont think anyone is critiquing the open shots, even though he's only hitting them at a 34% clip from distance. It's that 1/3 of his 3pt shots are coming with tight defense and hes shooting almost 25% from distance, and that a lot of those shots are coming with a decent amount of time on the shot clock (more than 10s). Its that instead of using his gravity and understanding that he needs to temper his shooting down a bit, he keeps shooting as if nothing's changed, nothing's wrong, in a season where we're struggling to get and keep momentum. Klay needs to focus less on Klay's struggles and start wondering what a slumping Klay can do to help the team, that doesnt involve him shooting as much. If that means bench him, then bench him. If that means correcting it himself, then do that. But he's never done the latter and we've never done the former. Something's gotta give

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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#110 » by GswStorm3 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:59 am

clyde21 wrote:he's only done if he refuses to believe that he's not that same player anymore and doesn't adjust to a new role accordingly, can still be very useful off the bench in the right capacity but if that's not a role he's willing to accept at this point, then yes he's done


That's fair.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#111 » by Dubs 707 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:28 am

Klay has always had rough stretches do we not remember the Klay to his hand I missed you game? Give him time based off that alone and then you factor in what he and Curry have accomplished by literally turning around the franchise!
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#112 » by bicycle » Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:50 pm

Dubs 707 wrote:Klay has always had rough stretches do we not remember the Klay to his hand I missed you game? Give him time based off that alone and then you factor in what he and Curry have accomplished by literally turning around the franchise!

I'm happy to give him time, but time hasn't been the problem it's been that he's been spending his time taking selfish forced shots without accountability. Last night was an improvement, hopefully it lasts.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#113 » by zhuangcorp » Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:25 pm

Klay's actual productivity should be viewed apart from his shot selection. I can give him a bit of a pass if he takes good shots, but the shots are just not falling. At least he is playing the right way.

But Klay is not even trying to play smart. He's giving himself the most difficult shots to take and taking away better shots from his own teammates. He thinks the entire season is about him gaining back his own prestige rather than about the team trying to win.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#114 » by CDM_Stats » Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:02 am

zhuangcorp wrote:Klay's actual productivity should be viewed apart from his shot selection. I can give him a bit of a pass if he takes good shots, but the shots are just not falling. At least he is playing the right way.

But Klay is not even trying to play smart. He's giving himself the most difficult shots to take and taking away better shots from his own teammates. He thinks the entire season is about him gaining back his own prestige rather than about the team trying to win.


Klay plays smart in spurts, and its typically only when his shot is going down. Then he lets the game come to him and looks to get everyone involved. But in his mind, he eats first. If he's not eating, everything else is secondary to that

That's always been him, not a recent development. Just way more noticeable when we dont have an avalanche of talent to make up for the bad Klay days. Bottom line - he needs to adjust because we likely can't make up for it anymore
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#115 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:38 pm

Common Klay, scorch the rockets while your teamates sleepwalk this game.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#116 » by Dubs 707 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:10 am

Loooook at VINTAGE Klay Thompson!!!
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#117 » by Old_Blue » Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:20 am

This thread is aging really badly. :D
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#118 » by wco81 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:23 am

Games like this one are why Kerr is going to keep playing Klay (have to, at his salary) and why his teammates will still keep feeding him.

In addition to his shooting, he had two steals and one big deflection inside two minutes.

But he’ll still have poor stretches of shooting and he’s not the defender he used to be so there will be more self-designated experts calling for him to be benched.

Then who gets his minutes? The youngsters?

They really have no other options who’s the threat thAt hE is.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#119 » by Big J » Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:25 am

This thread was always silly. He starts every season like this. This year he even admitted that he didn't do **** during the summer. He's finally getting his legs under him.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#120 » by DonaldSanders » Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:20 am

Give credit to Klay for playing the Hero role tonight.

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