What's Wrong with Andrew Wiggins?

Crazy-Canuck · Post #101 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:33 pm

Kerr just confirmed that Wiggins was dealing with conditioning issues to start the season.

So no injury, just couldn't work out nor play basketball in the off season.

KevinMcreynolds · Post #102 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:49 pm

my guy needs to do some Peloton rides with Dray

Onus · Post #103 » by **Onus** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:55 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Kerr just confirmed that Wiggins was dealing with conditioning issues to start the season.

So no injury, just couldn't work out nor play basketball in the off season.

This always made the most sense. Can't really work out with a broken rib and can't even work on cardio

CDM_Stats · Post #104 » by **CDM_Stats** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:21 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Kerr just confirmed that Wiggins was dealing with conditioning issues to start the season.

So no injury, just couldn't work out nor play basketball in the off season.

Could have scaled back his minutes to give the year 3 guys a more extended opportunity then

Or, maybe thats actually what he did, and the other foot will be dropping soon..

Impuniti · Post #105 » by **Impuniti** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:59 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Kerr just confirmed that Wiggins was dealing with conditioning issues to start the season.

So no injury, just couldn't work out nor play basketball in the off season.

Could have scaled back his minutes to give the year 3 guys a more extended opportunity then

Or, maybe thats actually what he did, and the other foot will be dropping soon..

Maybe I'm dense, but what does this mean?

CDM_Stats · Post #106 » by **CDM_Stats** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:16 pm

Impuniti wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Kerr just confirmed that Wiggins was dealing with conditioning issues to start the season.

So no injury, just couldn't work out nor play basketball in the off season.

Could have scaled back his minutes to give the year 3 guys a more extended opportunity then

Or, maybe thats actually what he did, and the other foot will be dropping soon..

Maybe I'm dense, but what does this mean?

Wiggins is averaging 6 less minutes than he did last year.. if he gets ramped up to 32-34 again, the minutes have to come from somewhere/someone, with the most likely people being Kuminga or Moody. I wouldnt mind Kuminga tbh, that'd be a sizeable net win, but I'd wager that Moody's minutes are more at risk

We're frustrated with some of the minutes distribution right now, and we currently have Draymond (30-32) and GP2 (15-20) already sitting out.. when fully healthy, and Wiggins is fully ramped up (any day now), it might get more frustrating

Onus · Post #107 » by **Onus** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:57 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
Could have scaled back his minutes to give the year 3 guys a more extended opportunity then

Or, maybe thats actually what he did, and the other foot will be dropping soon..

Maybe I'm dense, but what does this mean?

Wiggins is averaging 6 less minutes than he did last year.. if he gets ramped up to 32-34 again, the minutes have to come from somewhere/someone, with the most likely people being Kuminga or Moody. I wouldnt mind Kuminga tbh, that'd be a sizeable net win, but I'd wager that Moody's minutes are more at risk

We're frustrated with some of the minutes distribution right now, and we currently have Draymond (30-32) and GP2 (15-20) already sitting out.. when fully healthy, and Wiggins is fully ramped up (any day now), it might get more frustrating

How can you possibly take minutes away from Klay?

cpower · Post #108 » by **cpower** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:19 am

he should not play if he is not 100%...His poor play just makes the starting 5 impossible to beat anyone right now.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-plus-minus-leader

cpower · Post #109 » by **cpower** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:33 pm

last 5 games:
vs OKC 12 pts 6 rebs TS 46% -12.4 BPM
vs OKC 31 pts 0 rebs TS 76% 12.3 BPM
vs Rockets 12 pts 7 rebs TS 51% -3.9 BPM
vs Suns 11 pts 4 rebs TS 43% -8.5 BPM
vs Spurs 10 pts 4 rebs TS 50% -12.6 BPM

stinks

HiRez · Post #110 » by **HiRez** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:57 pm

cpower wrote:he should not play if he is not 100%...His poor play just makes the starting 5 impossible to beat anyone right now.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-plus-minus-leader

The most interesting part of that is all 5 starters are at the bottom of the team, and the top 4 guys weren't even on the team last year (and the 5th guy, GP2, only played 7 games). That tells me MDJ and the FO did outstanding offseason work, but that age is finally catching up to the core. We all knew it was going to happen at some point, but it seems that time is here. Need a larger sample size, but they need to start planning for post-Steph, Klay, and Dray now. The rigors of an 82 game season and more in the playoffs isn't likely to help.

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #111 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:57 pm

2022 playoffs Wiggins had us thinking the only thing wrong with Minnesota Wiggins was being on the Minnesota team.

Now it looks like some of what the critics complained about Minnesota Wiggins was actually an inability of Wiggins to play up to his potential for psychological reasons that were not the fault of the Minnesota team.

I hope 2022 playoffs Wiggins comes back but we might get stuck with a player more like Minnesota Wiggins.

vagelis · Post #112 » by **vagelis** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:29 am

vagelis wrote:Somebody has to work with him in his shooting form in free throws. Something that fails for years it is wrong and has to change.

The release point has to be at the eye height and not above the head.
The feet have to be at the same position and not one 50 cms ahead of the other.
Is there anyone who can tell him those 2 things?

I said it several times for his free throw form and I think that somehow somebody eventually told him that and he fixed it.

His feet are closer now in free throws and not one 50 cm ahead of the other.
He makes also a move with the feet to give some arc.

The change in the form has worked and he went to 86 ft% in the last 10 games.
It was 100% bad shooting form about his free throws

michaelm · Post #113 » by **michaelm** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:15 am

vagelis wrote:
vagelis wrote:Somebody has to work with him in his shooting form in free throws. Something that fails for years it is wrong and has to change.

The release point has to be at the eye height and not above the head.
The feet have to be at the same position and not one 50 cms ahead of the other.
Is there anyone who can tell him those 2 things?

I said it several times for his free throw form and I think that somehow somebody eventually told him that and he fixed it.

His feet are closer now in free throws and not one 50 cm ahead of the other.
He makes also a move with the feet to give some arc.

The change in the form has worked and he went to 86 ft% in the last 10 games.
It was 100% bad shooting form about his free throws

I think he was physically underdone and has been given roles which don’t suit him. I am not worried about him longterm, but rather that GSW no longer have the team to put next to him. He is not suited to play Green’s role to which Green himself appears to have become unsuited.

michaelm · Post #114 » by **michaelm** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:15 am

vagelis wrote:
vagelis wrote:Somebody has to work with him in his shooting form in free throws. Something that fails for years it is wrong and has to change.

The release point has to be at the eye height and not above the head.
The feet have to be at the same position and not one 50 cms ahead of the other.
Is there anyone who can tell him those 2 things?

I said it several times for his free throw form and I think that somehow somebody eventually told him that and he fixed it.

His feet are closer now in free throws and not one 50 cm ahead of the other.
He makes also a move with the feet to give some arc.

The change in the form has worked and he went to 86 ft% in the last 10 games.
It was 100% bad shooting form about his free throws

I think he was physically underdone and has been given roles which don’t suit him. I am not worried about him longterm, but rather that GSW no longer have the team to put next to him. He is not suited to play Green’s role to which Green himself appears to have become unsuited.

vagelis · Post #115 » by **vagelis** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:24 am

michaelm wrote:
vagelis wrote:
vagelis wrote:Somebody has to work with him in his shooting form in free throws. Something that fails for years it is wrong and has to change.

The release point has to be at the eye height and not above the head.
The feet have to be at the same position and not one 50 cms ahead of the other.
Is there anyone who can tell him those 2 things?

I said it several times for his free throw form and I think that somehow somebody eventually told him that and he fixed it.

His feet are closer now in free throws and not one 50 cm ahead of the other.
He makes also a move with the feet to give some arc.

The change in the form has worked and he went to 86 ft% in the last 10 games.
It was 100% bad shooting form about his free throws

I think he was physically underdone and has been given roles which don’t suit him. I am not worried about him longterm, but rather that GSW no longer have the team to put next to him. He is not suited to play Green’s role to which Green himself appears to have become unsuited.

Yes he is not suited to play Green's role I agree.
He is a sg/sf not a pf.

He had not good conditioning and when he found his rythm he had this finger injury and went to bad performances again.

But about free throws he shoots his best career percentage in the last 10 games because he made 2 changes in his form.
I had mentioned several times during the years about his free throws shooting form that needed these changes.

jozef · Post #116 » by **jozef** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:08 pm

You know what I think probably

Yes, he just needs an athletic center so he would not drive into crowded paint with no scoring help there. Especially against oponents starters it is a tough situation.
Everything would go well for him then. He is athletic but not bully one.

cpower · Post #117 » by **cpower** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:43 am

He thinks he is already retired. And his body is still out there collecting paycheck. This is what is happening, We should be able to get a decent playoff rotation player if we don't wait

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #118 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:37 am

Wiggles does not always care about being the best basketball player that he can be. He is not always focussed at his job.

I also have not reliably brough my best effort and focus to my job. It happens.

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #119 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 1:47 am

I was wrong. This is more serious than me having an off day at work. Wiggs is not even dressing to sit on the bench.

Maybe he has the flu or something. Or is it worse?

Edit, injury report says illness.
I had an illness last spring. Staph infection would have killed me if I did not go to the hospital and have surgery. $14,000 bill for me and a $700,000 bill for my insurance company and 6 weeks in the hospital on IV antibiotics. That was an illness but a 3 day stomach flu that heals by itself is also an illness.

cpower · Post #120 » by **cpower** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:37 am

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:I was wrong. This is more serious than me having an off day at work. Wiggs is not even dressing to sit on the bench.

Maybe he has the flu or something. Or is it worse?

Edit, injury report says illness.
I had an illness last spring. Staph infection would have killed me if I did not go to the hospital and have surgery. $14,000 bill for me and a $700,000 bill for my insurance company and 6 weeks in the hospital on IV antibiotics. That was an illness but a 3 day stomach flu that heals by itself is also an illness.

or he could be already with his family in Canada and waiting for Santa's present to show up at his door tomorrow. is he coming back to play for the rest of the season?